Amanda Knox Guilty of murder (shakeshead)

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

She did not act like a murderer after the case, where do you get this from? What does a murderer act like? They caught her in a lingerer store the next day, defense had a great excuse - she had no clothes as her house was in lockup due to the police investigation. All the reasons the prosecution gave were simply stupid.



The police asked her to 'guess' what took place, these are the so called statements. She was not trying to frame anyone. The fact a dude broke in and killed her roommate was totally crappy, but had nothing to do with her.

Acting like a murderer= lying to the police, trying to push someone else forward as the guilty party when they have an airtight alibi

She says the police asked her to guess, she lied before, I have no reason to believe she isn't when she says that.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by pepper24

If Italy has the death penalty I hope that Amanda Knox gets it!

I hope you trip over one of your newborns toys,crack your shull and wakeup someday up with a brain.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

"That knife has Knox's DNA on the handle and what some forensic scientists say is Kercher's DNA on the tip" from http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...904571,00.html

Read the article, or any other article. The knife that you are confused about was not the murder weapon, and was simply taken from a drawer in the kitchen. The Guede guy is the killer. His DNA is everywhere, including inside the victim. He was not friends with the other two accused, they simply saw him around since he knew people that lived below him. He also has a past as a thief, burglar and drug dealer. The following day he left down to Germany, where I think he was caught. Knox simply was tied to the case because the prosecutor has some strange torture sex fetish. In fact, he is assumed to be 'losing it' and is under investigation for claiming a similar stunt in another current case in Italy.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Read the article, or any other article. The knife that you are confused about was not the murder weapon, and was simply taken from a drawer in the kitchen. The Guede guy is the killer. His DNA is everywhere, including inside the victim. He was not friends with the other two accused, they simply saw him around since he knew people that lived below him. He also has a past as a thief, burglar and drug dealer. The following day he left down to Germany, where I think he was caught. Knox simply was tied to the case because the prosecutor has some strange torture sex fetish. In fact, he is assumed to be 'losing it' and is under investigation for claiming a similar stunt in another current case in Italy.

No point arguing about this anymore, some forensics experts think it is the murder weapon, some don't.

Stop acting like you know all the answers with absolute certainty.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

"That knife has Knox's DNA on the handle and what some forensic scientists say is Kercher's DNA on the tip" from http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...904571,00.html

Let's pretend the knife was the murder weapon. The link describes how there can be DNA evidence of someone basically everywhere in a house, yet only certain types can be used for investigative purposes.
http://www.slate.com/id/2237681/?from=rss

This link is about the knife the defense claims was not used in any crime. There is no evidence that says it is the knife, and none was provided in the trial. The prosecution simply provided the knife. That does not count as evidence. It was simply a prop in the trial. The actual murder weapon was never delivered.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5322700.shtml

I think this last link sums it all up the best:
http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...904571,00.html

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

No point arguing about this anymore, some forensics experts think it is the murder weapon, some don't.

Stop acting like you know all the answers with absolute certainty.

What are you talking about? There is no expert that said it was the knife. I think you are confused. They found her DNA on a knife along with his. They probably tested every knife in the house for that combo, and found one. They claimed it 'could' be the knife, they never said it was the knife.

The truth is that someone broke in a window and likely used that or some smaller type of blade to kill her.

Plus, the so called expert that testified for the prosecution works for the prosecution, this was not some independent analysis completed.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

What are you talking about? There is no expert that said it was the knife. I think you are confused. They found her DNA on a knife along with his. They probably tested every knife in the house for that combo, and found one. They claimed it 'could' be the knife, they never said it was the knife.

The truth is that someone broke in a window and likely used that or some smaller type of blade to kill her.

Plus, the so called expert that testified for the prosecution works for the prosecution, this was not some independent analysis completed.

and the so called expert who testified for the defense was paid to do so by the defense. And if that one didn't agree they wouldn't have put that person on the stand.

You can argue that both ways.

The fact is that no one outside of the actual murderer or murderers knows whether or not Amanda Knox is guilty. Neither side can say with 100% certainty that they know. She doesn't have an alibi, and there is no proof she didnt do it.

I have all ready said I wouldn't convict her based on the evidence, I just thought she was guilty.

You arguing on the knife not being the murder weapon is like saying the glove didn't fit OJ so he is rightly innocent. The two don't have to be tied.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

You arguing on the knife not being the murder weapon is like saying the glove didn't fit OJ so he is rightly innocent. The two don't have to be tied.

You've got to be kidding me. Maybe I should let you explain what you are trying to say here before I jump all over it.

[d_phaneuf]

I am saying that if the knife that the prosecution says is the murder weapon is not in fact the murder weapon she could still be guilty

I was just using the example of OJ and the glove to show another example, just because the glove didn't fit him (even taking out the possible reasons that it may have shrunk and/or the surgical gloves he was wearing made it so they didn't fit) doesn't mean he didn't kill.

In the same way that if the Knife isn't the murder weapon, that doesn't make her innocent.

[loob job]

Pull five knives from a drawer in my house. I bet all five have my dna on the handle and at least two of them have my g/f's dna on the tip. Who hasn't cut their finger a bit washing dishes or cutting items to eat.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by loob job

Pull five knives from a drawer in my house. I bet all five have my dna on the handle and at least two of them have my g/f's dna on the tip. Who hasn't cut their finger a bit washing dishes or cutting items to eat.

Are you saying something might happen to your girlfriend soon?

[frege64]

Originally Posted by pepper24

If Italy has the death penalty I hope that Amanda Knox gets it!

Civilized countries don't have the death penalty.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by frege64

Civilized countries don't have the death penalty.

Oh is that a fact? Would you consider Japan civilized?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Oh is that a fact? Would you consider Japan civilized?

Have you seen a Japanese vending machine??

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by loob job

Pull five knives from a drawer in my house. I bet all five have my dna on the handle and at least two of them have my g/f's dna on the tip. Who hasn't cut their finger a bit washing dishes or cutting items to eat.

Your points may be true, but that is not what happened in the trial. The DNA found on the knife were things like flakes of dead dry skin and such. This type of DNA is everywhere in someone's house. The defense claims the prosecution simply searched each knife for DNA and landed on that one. Most of your house has that type of DNA basically everywhere. They never found the weapon used in the crime, in fact they said the knife in question might have been used in some part of the crime but they did not state the knife was 'the knife'.

Countries like Canada do not use that type of DNA for crime fighting, they use things like larger visible drops of blood. This case gives a very good reason why.

[T@T]

A jailed Italian mobster claims his brother did the crime and the Italian authorities wouldn't even look into it.

He said he had tried to write the Italian court several times to say that Knox and the others were innocent, but no one ever contacted him, defense and prosecution officials said.

"When he came to my house he had a bloodstained jacket on and was carrying a flick knife. He said he had broken into a house and killed a girl and then he had run away," Aviello said in his statement.

"I know [he was involved] because my brother confessed to me that he had killed Meredith and he asked me to hide a blood-stained knife and set of keys," he said, according to an attachment to Knox's appeal documents.

Aviello said he can prove Knox's innocence and his brother's involvement because of evidence he buried at his home.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/11/...ex.html?hpt=T2

If true, heads will roll.

[Top_Prospect]

WOW...

I don't want to start another thread about it, but one story that kind of got to me was one about a Czech guy I believe from Vancouver. He was running a pretty successfull construction company.

He had a lovely wife and I believe 2 lovely kids. They went to Mexico i think and purchased a small vacation home. They planned to stay there for the summer. They ended up being friends with a guy who was actually involved with drugs.

He was out with the guy after only knowing him for 2 weeks and out of no where the police came and arrested them all.

They threw him in jail and his family went back to Vancouver.

I'm going to try to look it up, but I always wondered what happened.

Edit: Found it

http://www2.canada.com/victoriatimes...f-0396cefec5fb

[Nage Waza]

Update! Apparently some guy is saying his brother is the murderer. The claim is that it was an attempted burglary but the girl started screaming. The guy says he tried hard during the trial to get the police to listen, but so far nothing. He has now finally gotten someone to listen. The so called murderer is now MIA, the brother has no clue where he is. The actual murder weapon itself is also buried in a spot that he wants to take to show the police.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Update! Apparently some guy is saying his brother is the murderer. The claim is that it was an attempted burglary but the girl started screaming. The guy says he tried hard during the trial to get the police to listen, but so far nothing. He has now finally gotten someone to listen. The so called murderer is now MIA, the brother has no clue where he is. The actual murder weapon itself is also buried in a spot that he wants to take to show the police.

Thanks for this.

Now, look 2 posts up from yours

[HotHotHeat]

This story makes me sick to my stomach. I feel so sorry for the Knox family. What a nightmare.