07-29-2009, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
When does the free ride end?
I'm still waiting for a definition of "Hope and Change".
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I've seen some liberal commentators make criticisms of Obama lately - ex. Maher, Olbermann and Maddow. Basically, they all want to see more action and less talk.
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07-29-2009, 03:29 PM
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I like how the liberals suggest that Republicans should move to the center if they want to win...very cunning. If Republicans water down their policies to the point where it wil be impossible to tell them apart from Democrats, why vote Republicans at all? Democrats will always appear fluffier and more lovable on the outside.
Sure, they need to distance themselves from (religious) nuts but most importantly they need to distinguish themselves from Democrats on key issues.
One thing that is obvious is that they need to fix their foreign policy and now it is a good time since Obama is trying to be friends with everyone (Putin/Medvedev a week or two back) and this "strategy" is pretty much guaranteed to backfire.
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07-29-2009, 03:30 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
When does the free ride end?
I'm still waiting for a definition of "Hope and Change".
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Keep waiting, anyone who questions the messiah gets crucified.
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07-29-2009, 03:42 PM
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I gave Bush II 18 months before being sure he was an idiot. Obama has been in office for 7 months and people are already sure he is a disaster?
I think the President gets too much blame when things go wrong, and too much credit when things go right anyway. He is far more controlled than controller.
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07-29-2009, 03:44 PM
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Norm!
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The problem with any political figure that uses the concept of "Change" as their key platform, but doesn't have any hard platform to fall back on is that the people then take the word change to heart and fill in the word quick or timely.
Obama to be honest had an easy ride to the oval office because John McCain for as good and courageous of a man as he was made way to many mistakes in his campaign, and he was also running for a party that America was kind of tired of.
Unfortunately Obama has now been seduced by the public aspect of his office. He feels the need to be in front of the camera on a constant basis, which is fine, but he's really not doing anything but giving people the feeling that he's not as much of a doer as a talker.
He's also inherited a wrecked economy and a bad foreign policy position and he's now become the owner of those issues, both as the president, and someone who talked so much about changing or fixing them. Unfortunately, I don't think that he's gotten anything done thats shown change, or that he's put them onto a path to improvement. Now before you blast me by saying he's been in the office for a little more then a hundred days I would reply that he promised change, and since perception is reality, it looks like these things are still where they are when he took office, or worse yet, they've gotten slightly worse.
I've never been a fan of Obama's because I don't see a lot of substance within a man that is an amazing talker, and he's set expectations so high because of his speaking ability that he's bound to be a let down whenever he tries to execute anything.
While he's talked a bold and decisive game, I think he's been a little timid as a president of a company that is in the middle of several bad crisis points at the same time.
And its going to cost him.
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07-29-2009, 03:46 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by jammies
I gave Bush II 18 months before being sure he was an idiot. Obama has been in office for 7 months and people are already sure he is a disaster?
I think the President gets too much blame when things go wrong, and too much credit when things go right anyway. He is far more controlled than controller.
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When it comes to the president, everyone of them gets a sign that say the buck stops here.
Bush II wasn't a great president, and from day 1 he took the slings and arrows of everyone and got little praise for the little that went right.
Obama is getting judged on a softer criteria right now, but I expect that the grading curve is going to get steeper over the next couple of months.
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07-29-2009, 04:01 PM
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Had an idea!
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I should also point out that the Democratic Congress is as much to blame for the lack of action as Obama is.
When people like Pelosi and Reid are your top lawmakers, everything is bound to go wrong.
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07-29-2009, 04:10 PM
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Glenn Beck is a fear-mongering propagandist for starters who should be taken into a parking lot for some of the nonsense he spews but he is there along with his $50M contract on government controlled FOX news spreading whatever he is told to and for some reason, people pay attention to it.
He is just doing what he is told and so is Obama.
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07-29-2009, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
I should also point out that the Democratic Congress is as much to blame for the lack of action as Obama is.
When people like Pelosi and Reid are your top lawmakers, everything is bound to go wrong.
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Well, this health care reform thing is starting to splinter that body as well. There are certain moderate democrats that have been extremely critical of Obama's call to rush this thing through without the proper debate.
People will jump all over me for saying this, and that's fine, but Obama is already in trouble for re-election. He's got time, but he can't afford the kind of missteps that have already happened.
His approval numbers, both overall and on specific points, have been in a freefall.
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07-29-2009, 04:13 PM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Azure
I should also point out that the Democratic Congress is as much to blame for the lack of action as Obama is.
When people like Pelosi and Reid are your top lawmakers, everything is bound to go wrong.
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I don't follow american political figures as much as I should, but everything that I've heard about Pelosi tells me thats she's almost become a distraction and a hinderance.
Don't know anything about Reid.
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07-29-2009, 04:16 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Well, this health care reform thing is starting to splinter that body as well. There are certain moderate democrats that have been extremely critical of Obama's call to rush this thing through without the proper debate.
People will jump all over me for saying this, and that's fine, but Obama is already in trouble for re-election. He's got time, but he can't afford the kind of missteps that have already happened.
His approval numbers, both overall and on specific points, have been in a freefall.
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Those moderate Democrats are more in tune with what the average American wants than most people would think.
Its too bad that they are pushed to the background and constantly run down by the big shots like Reid, Pelosi and Franks.
I've said it many times before, but there are more Democratic Congressman that I agree with than there are Republican ones.
A LOT more.
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07-29-2009, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I don't follow american political figures as much as I should, but everything that I've heard about Pelosi tells me thats she's almost become a distraction and a hinderance.
Don't know anything about Reid.
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If Nancy Pelosi was a republican, she would be beaten mercilessly by the media, just like that other chick...
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07-29-2009, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Those moderate Democrats are more in tune with what the average American wants than most people would think.
Its too bad that they are pushed to the background and constantly run down by the big shots like Reid, Pelosi and Franks.
I've said it many times before, but there are more Democratic Congressman that I agree with than there are Republican ones.
A LOT more.
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Me too.
They are the folks that have the ability to keep this Congress from going off the rails.
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07-30-2009, 01:01 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
You mean the unbiased voice of left-of-centre Toronto residents? 
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Originally Posted by starseed
I remember coming home from a trip to the US, the news was primarily about updates on the Anna Nicole Smith case with interruptions for the latest on Britney Spears' antics. When I came back home, I remember turning on the TV and watching that National on CBC, among other things, they provided an in depth report on the struggles of farmers in afghanistan. Not once did they mention the mindless pop-culture bull$hiz that is shoved down the gullets of the American public.
Make no mistake, we have it good up here.
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Originally Posted by Rerun
Are you serious? CBC... the last refuge of all Liberals and NDP supporters.
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Thank you, Starseed. As far as news goes, we have it great in Canada. Say what you want about Libs/NDP/Cons posturing but if I ever hear our news in Canada questioning gay rights, calling a healthcare system that doesn't bankrupt its citizens socialist, take extreme stances on illegal citizens or paying more attention to celebrities than the actual news, I will recant. Thankfully, I do not foresee that day ever coming in Canada.
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07-30-2009, 01:06 PM
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Sorry - "extreme stances on illegal citizens"
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How can your stance be extreme against something that is illegal. Its not the most friendly or practical approach in the world but at least they take a stand on the issue instead of waffling.
Also, I would like to thank CBCNW for their informative piece on Afghan Poppy farmers. Wow, that changed my life, I am glad my hard earned tax dollars go to BS like that.
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07-30-2009, 01:08 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cactus Jack
Thank you, Starseed. As far as news goes, we have it great in Canada. Say what you want about Libs/NDP/Cons posturing but if I ever hear our news in Canada questioning gay rights, calling a healthcare system that doesn't bankrupt its citizens socialist, take extreme stances on illegal citizens or paying more attention to celebrities than the actual news, I will recant. Thankfully, I do not foresee that day ever coming in Canada.
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So, what you are saying there is that as long as our news continues to represent the leftish side of the Liberal Party, you are all good?
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07-30-2009, 01:19 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Location: Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by mykalberta
Sorry - "extreme stances on illegal citizens"
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How can your stance be extreme against something that is illegal. Its not the most friendly or practical approach in the world but at least they take a stand on the issue instead of waffling.
Also, I would like to thank CBCNW for their informative piece on Afghan Poppy farmers. Wow, that changed my life, I am glad my hard earned tax dollars go to BS like that.
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I wish I would have caught this..............did it mention how poppy production has increased significantly since the U.S. military presence?
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07-30-2009, 01:22 PM
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Not the one...
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Originally Posted by Cactus Jack
Thank you, Starseed. As far as news goes, we have it great in Canada. Say what you want about Libs/NDP/Cons posturing but if I ever hear our news in Canada questioning gay rights, calling a healthcare system that doesn't bankrupt its citizens socialist, take extreme stances on illegal citizens or paying more attention to celebrities than the actual news, I will recant. Thankfully, I do not foresee that day ever coming in Canada.
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So you're ok with liberal bias as long as there is no conservative bias?
edit: damn, Vlad beat me to it
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07-30-2009, 01:23 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler
So, what you are saying there is that as long as our news continues to represent the leftish side of the Liberal Party, you are all good? 
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Pretty much.
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Originally Posted by mykalberta
Sorry - "extreme stances on illegal citizens"
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How can your stance be extreme against something that is illegal. Its not the most friendly or practical approach in the world but at least they take a stand on the issue instead of waffling.
Also, I would like to thank CBCNW for their informative piece on Afghan Poppy farmers. Wow, that changed my life, I am glad my hard earned tax dollars go to BS like that.
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Right, a radical approach is best. Let them kick out all of their illegal immigrants and I'll count the seconds until their service industry collapses (and for those who pay attention, look at the growth rates and percentage of the labour force service jobs represent).
So you don't get anything out of a piece on Afghanistan? I'm sure you got a lot out of the Michael Jackson investigation and the birthers, am I right? I'm sure you found that to be mentally stimulating and poltically relevant. Or how about that Fox morning show that I believe opens with the host wearing a Starbucks t-shirt, receiving a latte from a "latino" and with his head firmly entreched up a Starbucks senior execs ass?
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