UN anti-blasphemy measures have sinister goals, observers say

[Nage Waza]

Moon, did Longsuffering provide you with the link that you learned everything you are posting about?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Moon, did Longsuffering provide you with the link that you learned everything you are posting about?

Nope

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

But let's get serious - for every 1 Jewish fanatic, there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Islamic fanatics. At least Jews can talk about them without fear of getting murdered.

LIE - and proof of your anti Islam bias.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

there is no farming or gardens, just dust, and there is the occasional bomb exploding

LOL - No, no hatred of an ethnic/religious group there.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

This will be fun though, let's pretend for a moment Israel never existed. There is a nation in Israel's place called Hamas. Girl's are not allowed to go to school, there is no freedom of religion, all political opposition is murdered, people are forced to prey, there is no farming or gardens, just dust, and there is the occasional bomb exploding from the neighboring countries of Hezbollah, Al Queda, and a few other nations. Human rights of course does not exist. But thank God Israel never existed!
An ocean away, there are more battles. Sharia Law is being forced in Canada, France, Britain and everywhere else.
After a year of Hamas' independence, Syria rolled through and took over the entire land, exterminated the population, and now the area is called Syria. Next year it will be called Iran.

Thanks Nage. You saved me the time and effort of finding any of the other hateful, ignorant stuff you've posted.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

LIE - and proof of your anti Islam bias.

Actually, global surveys have pointed to a sizable minority of the global Muslim population that supports suicide murder tactics.

[longsuffering]

nm

[peter12]

nm

[Nage Waza]

Long suffering, you started all this by calling me out in another thread, then you hid from your accusations. Now you are calling lawyers? LOL. I think you are confused with who you are as a person, and who Longsuffering is as an ID on this site. If you are worried I am somehow tarnishing your reputation, then do 2 things: Stop linking to racist websites (you say you won't again and it was an accident) and start thinking of where your points are from (at least where you learned the so called facts from). WHen you have guys like Moon and Fox debating on the same side of the fence as you, you can see what we are dealing with.

Like I said, the problem is it is fine to debate Israel, the problem is the silence of anti Israel posters when people like Moon show up.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I don't buy it. This has been your most moderate post on the subject. Longsuffering lurks and attacks, and basically got busted. I suspect he is guilty like many of the others hunting down threads on Israel. And you wrote it off like it was all an accident??

And you pop out here to defend him? Defend the guy linking a racist website? You are silent on the reasons Israel is attacking the Gaza (unlimited rocket attacks) and decide to post to defend some guy...

Sheesh.

In fairness, Longsuffering didn't defend himself when it came to linking to those websites (which I haven't bothered to look at myself, since everyone seems to simply accept their antisemitic nature). He did offer an explanation and an apology though, which is good enough for me. If his beliefs were in line with whatever that website says, he wouldn't have apologized or recanted. He did. I just reckon the debate, if it's going to continue, can now continue on the merits rather than labelling and personal attacks.

[RedHot25]

This thread, in itself, appears to be basically a microcosm of the actual issue....

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

In fairness, Longsuffering didn't defend himself when it came to linking to those websites (which I haven't bothered to look at myself, since everyone seems to simply accept their antisemitic nature). He did offer an explanation and an apology though, which is good enough for me. If his beliefs were in line with whatever that website says, he wouldn't have apologized or recanted. He did. I just reckon the debate, if it's going to continue, can now continue on the merits rather than labelling and personal attacks.

Fair enough...

There are always two debates that happen here, the first is whatever the current event is in the middle east, the second is the posters like Moon. The thing is that posters against Israel rarely if ever try to distance themselves from Moon. So people like myself who are trying to explain Israeli action wind up getting attacked, by people like Longsuffering and Moon.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Fair enough...

There are always two debates that happen here, the first is whatever the current event is in the middle east, the second is the posters like Moon. The thing is that posters against Israel rarely if ever try to distance themselves from Moon. So people like myself who are trying to explain Israeli action wind up getting attacked, by people like Longsuffering and Moon.

I am a person with fairly liberal foreign policy leanings, ie. definitely not a complete realist. I have some genuine problems with Israel's foreign policy on several levels, especially their isolation of moderate elements among the Palestinians. However, I am fully capable of seeing both sides without descending into the nonsense put forward by moon et al.

Quite simply, if you assert criticism over Israel by giving disproportionate blame to the Jewish people, especially by blaming the entire conflict on the creation of the state of Israel, you are an anti-Semite. Plain and simple.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Fair enough...

There are always two debates that happen here, the first is whatever the current event is in the middle east, the second is the posters like Moon. The thing is that posters against Israel rarely if ever try to distance themselves from Moon. So people like myself who are trying to explain Israeli action wind up getting attacked, by people like Longsuffering and Moon.

By "posters like moon" you mean those that don't agree 100% with what you believe in and are thus "anti-semitics"?

You still have failed to point out any "hate" that I have said here or any comments that were anti-semitic.

[Nage Waza]

Yawn

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

LOL. I think you are confused with who you are as a person, and who Longsuffering is as an ID on this site. If you are worried I am somehow tarnishing your reputation, then do 2 things: Stop linking to racist websites (you say you won't again and it was an accident) and start thinking of where your points are from (at least where you learned the so called facts from).

You've made some wild accusations. I'm curious, what are the points I've made in this thread that you take issue with?

And yet the Conservative government is doing everything in its power to curtail free speech, at least speech that criticizes Israel.

I find it ironic that you accuse ANYONE of instituting collective punishment against Israel. Collective punishment is Israel's stock in trade.

Please don't be so obtuse. Obviously when I write Israel, I mean the policies of the democratically elected Israeli government.

And save the old "basis in prejudice' line that defenders of Israeli policy trot out anytime the actions of the Israeli government or military are criticized.

The situation in Gaza and what has been done to average Palestinians living there speaks volumes. To suggest Israeli policy is wrong is hardly 'prejudice'.

And yet Canadian soldiers don't indiscriminately target ALL civilians in order to get at Al-Qaeda.

Thanks for making my point.

Even though it was mentioned in the very first paragraph, the Tories are threatening to cut the funding of the CAF because of comments critical of the Government and of Israel. Perhaps this makes it easier for you. Sorry for assuming people might actually try and stay familiar with the issues.

(This post included the link to a website that can fairly be called an antisemitic website, however the page I linked to was a letter to Jason Kenney from the Coordinator of a group named "Independent Jewish Voices". As I've already acknowledged, I should have reviewed the hosting website before using that link, but regardless neither my post or the linked letter contains anything remotely antisemitic.)

Ostracized you say? You mean like Avigdor Lieberman? No wait, this 'gentleman' is set to become a king maker in the next governing coalition of Israel.

The Forums favorite pundit Christopher Hitchens had this to say about Mr. Lieberman.

Tell me I didn't do that.

Obviously I'd wanted to provide a link supporting my belief that the Harper government was curtailing free speech by threatening to stop funding organizations that voiced opinions different than those of the government. As Blankall has pointed out, and as I should have discovered by looking at the main page of the site, I linked to what does appear to an antisemitic site.

I am deeply sorry for that and apologize to the forum.

I am a critic of what I believe to be poor policy as it relates to average Palestinians by the Israeli government, and have been very critical of what I believe are excesses committed by the IDF in Gaza. I am not however, an antisemite.

Thank you Blankall for pointing out my error and allowing me to set the record straight.

Nice retort.

Nothing to say about Avigdor Lieberman and what he stands for?

Are you going to continue avoiding the question of Avigdor Lieberman forever? Is it because he doesn't fit into your idealized view of the 'good guys' and 'bad guys' in this conflict? It's not as black and white as you insist. Neither side can seriously claim any moral highground.

Mr. Lieberman's stated positions make it hard to call him a 'good guy'. Is that where you're having a problem?

What are the prospects for peace if Mr. Leiberman and his Party are major players in the next Israeli government?

LIE - and proof of your anti Islam bias.

LOL - No, no hatred of an ethnic/religious group there.

Thanks Nage. You saved me the time and effort of finding any of the other hateful, ignorant stuff you've posted.

Where is the hate? Where is the antisemitism? Where are the lies?

While we're here, lets look at the post that set you off.

Long suffering, you started all this by calling me out in another thread

(That must of been heinously antisemitic!)

I am not sure where you got any of your so called facts from, but can you please post the dozens of posts in this forum that his comments were no worse than?

His comments are not just wrong and misinformed, they have a purpose, to promote hate. What else could his intention be? He was a politician when he said them. His comments are just as bad as the supremacist /clan rallys, except he is Native.

Maybe once the game is over I'll look through some of your posts. You believe Israel can do no wrong and consistly make NO distinction between Hamas/Hezzbollah and mainstream Islam.

Oh, here is some hate. We find it in your posts.

Hey, you still lurking until you find a way to bash Israel? You made some accusations (lies) in another forum, then slithered away.

Israel is fighting an enemy that is hiding among a civilian population. In fact, a similar enemy are doing that to Canadian soldiers as well.

I am sure you know this, but you will continue to spout your nonsense again.

It is suckers like you that fall for this time and time again. And if you are no sucker, then you might be a hateful person, since I cannot fathom how people cannot see this. I know you do see this, yet you continue to repeat the rhetoric.

(I'm still wondering what rhetoric he claims I continue repeating.)

Why don't you go back to your venomous websites you like to read.

Of course there can be debate, but Moon represents several of the posters here who have one purpose - hate

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There is a nation in Israel's place called Hamas. Girl's are not allowed to go to school, there is no freedom of religion, all political opposition is murdered, people are forced to prey, there is no farming or gardens, just dust

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I don't buy it. This has been your most moderate post on the subject. Longsuffering lurks and attacks, and basically got busted. I suspect he is guilty like many of the others hunting down threads on Israel. And you wrote it off like it was all an accident??

(Lets look at posting history and see who hunts the Israel threads)

The record speaks for itself. You believe (as I've demonstrated) anyone and everyone who disagrees with you is antisemitic.

PWNED

[peter12]

Re. Lieberman. The guy is a scumbag. If Likud gets into a coalition with this party, when there is a much more moderate, and popular, alternative in Kadima, they deserve the consquences.

[Nage Waza]

Longsuffering, this is the quote I took offense to:

"Maybe once the game is over I'll look through some of your posts. You believe Israel can do no wrong and consistly make NO distinction between Hamas/Hezzbollah and mainstream Islam."

Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist groups. Claiming I make no distinction between them and mainstream Islam is the same as saying that I think anyone that is Islamic is a terrorist. That is how I interpret what you wrote. To clear the record, without a doubt Islam does not equal terrorism. I should not even have to defend that in any way. Slinging dirt won't get this discussion anywhere. What I questioned of your motivations unfortunately was exasperated by your web link, as unfortunate as that was.

Had you not made that accusation (and still no withdrawal), I would drop the issue.

The next quote from you that is totally crazy, was in regards to Ahenakew's hateful comments:
"His comments, at least as reported in the link provided, are no worse than literally dozens of comments directed at Muslims posted on these forums."

I don't recall comments like that about Muslims on this site, and if there are, it is bad. I asked you to show me, you haven't. People who post hateful things are no ally of mine, that is for sure.

I find it ironic that my requests to you for clarification went unanswered, yet you keep demanding that I respond to your questions on a fairly off topic question. I would happily respond, but was waiting for your clarification.

As you can see, this topic can be a minefield. Claiming someone is racist (basically this is what you did in quote 1) then following that up later on with the site you linked is clearly not working in your favor. I cannot take it as accidental unless the first quote is retracted as what I determined your intent to be, because this all the context I have. The second quote is simply foolish, unless there are some posts I did not read or totally forgot about. I get as frustrated from Moon's posts as I do from anything coming from the other side.

I hope this clearly shows you where I am coming from, I am not writing this to insult or fan any flames.

[chowdachad]

Wow after reading this thread i am amazed that anyone can support Hamas, read this article they truly are the scum in this war

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull