Mumbai under terrorist attack?

[HOZ]

I guess the ISI is not changing. Pakistan has withdrawn its pledge to send the head of the ISI to India.

Wonder why? Must have been the JOOOOOOOSSSS!!!

For two decades, the Pakistan Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) has been the de-facto government in Pakistan, toppling regimes, aiding the Taliban, giving cover to al-Qaeda fugitives, and running a business empire worth billions of dollars.
In July, the new democratically elected government in Islamabad led by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani attempted to bring the ISI under civilian control, but under threat of a military coup, had to perform a humiliating about-face within 24 hours

Terry Glaven crushes an apologist
Ali's Counterpunch analysis is actually not an analysis, but a transparent exercise in evasion. It's all somebody else's fault. It's about the beastly behaviour of the Indian government in Kashmir, the "anger within the poorest sections of the Muslim community against the systematic discrimination and acts of violence carried out against them," and so on. As if this could somehow explain why the "Deccan Mujahadeen" chose to target the Jews at Mumbai's Chabad house, where we now learn that the young rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife Rivka are among the dead.


Apologist's reasons.....India must look to see why they are hated so much..hmmm.....

Where have we seen that?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

How is this being treated with "kid gloves"?

This ongoing (and hopefully over) terrorist attack has been the biggest story in the world for a few days now. Hourly death counts, blood in the streets, orphaned babies, explosions going off behind reporters on TV...

I don't know about levels of outrage, but the global media didn't give the US/Syria story 1% of the coverage this is getting.

The action is being given attention, not the impact. Once again, radical thugs shoot up innocent civilians for what... and the media is still treating them like they are 'militants' with a legitimate cause.

[HOZ]

A nice recommendation from a fellow Canuck....who just escaped from the

MUSLIM TERRORISTS

Has this Mumbaiker smile'n!!!

GO VISIT MUMBAI!!!


Screw them! Visit Mumbai and hope the prisoners wear out a few jumper cables!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Boston.com has some graphic high resolution pictures of the Mubai terrorist assault.

So you post this, and then a couple posts later you are back to griping about "PC media"?

You posted this -- a link to a mainstream media (from Boston, of all places) media outlet showing pictures of blood and guts and dead victims of a terrorist attack. They use the word "terrorist" several times.

Which way is it? You've provided unsanitized, non PC coverage from the mainstream media, then you complain about how the mainstream media is PC.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

The action is being given attention, not the impact. Once again, radical thugs shoot up innocent civilians for what... and the media is still treating them like they are 'militants' with a legitimate cause.

What media are you watching? Where are you seeing this "legitimate cause" stuff? Who says they have a legitimate cause to do this? Can you show me?

Nobody even knows (or knew) what the cause is. This has been called terrorism from the outset.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

So I have a question:

What is the correct response to this action? How should the western countries (and India) respond?

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

So I have a question:

What is the correct response to this action? How should the western countries (and India) respond?

3 words:

Sand. To. Glass.

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

3 words:

Sand. To. Glass.

I am assumeing from you name this is something you can take care of?

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by ok, ok,....I get it

So I have a question:

What is the correct response to this action? How should the western countries (and India) respond?

This is a very delicate situation as the terrorists are likely based out of Pakistan (we'll see where the investigation leads). India does have some of the gunmen in custody so there will likely be some "extraction" of intelligence. If there is compelling evidence, India would likely present it to the world and specifically to Pakistan. If the Pakistan government refuses to act, I would be worried as to what would happen next.

Alternatively, if the terrorists are based out Kashmir, it will be difficult to prove Pakistan involvement as India has suggested for awhile that Pakistan's ISI has been supporting terrorist groups out of there and no one seems to care. Pakistan will have in a way plausible deniability. The main issue though is that it seems that the Pakistan government does not have complete control of the extremist elements within the country and it poses a risk to the rest of the world.

I'm looking forward to the Obama presidency as he has suggested that he would launch an attack in Pakistan if he had reasonable intelligence against the terrorists even if the Pakistan government did not support it (essentially if they refused to act themselves).

[peter12]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

What media are you watching? Where are you seeing this "legitimate cause" stuff? Who says they have a legitimate cause to do this? Can you show me?

Nobody even knows (or knew) what the cause is. This has been called terrorism from the outset.

Watch the BBC and the CBC.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by peter12

Watch the BBC and the CBC.

I do. I haven't seen anyone justify this lunacy. Granted, they do use the word "gunmen" instead of "terrorist" (at least online), but nobody has tried to make excuses for what these people are doing. The story running right now on the BBC includes "Mujahideen", "Muslim" and "Islamist". They aren't sugar-coating anything.

Every other media outlet I've seen (Canadian and American) freely uses the words terrorism and terrorist.

The suggestion seems to be (correct me if I'm wrong)that the "liberal media" excuses these acts and doesn't call it what it is -- terrorism. It's just not true. At least I haven't seen evidence of it.

[Vulcan]

Here's the video interview of the guy from BC who escaped from the Oberoi Hotel. Pretty moving.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...ich.mumbai.cnn

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

So you post this, and then a couple posts later you are back to griping about "PC media"?

You posted this -- a link to a mainstream media (from Boston, of all places) media outlet showing pictures of blood and guts and dead victims of a terrorist attack. They use the word "terrorist" several times.

Which way is it? You've provided unsanitized, non PC coverage from the mainstream media, then you complain about how the mainstream media is PC.

1. It bleeds it leads.

2. To give these offal the PC term militants or gunmen is disingenuous at best. They are murderers. Psychopaths. Terrorists. Indiscriminate murderers. Scum. They killed children, women and anything that got in their path...and laughed about it.

3. Not all media have decided to sugar-coat their coverage.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by fotze

Apparently they have captured 1 terrorist alive. I bet he's going to lead a fun life. Keep him alive until he's 159

I want to live! Sniff, sniff... says the jumper cable tester.

His swaggering image as he walked around Chhatrapati Shi###i terminus was captured by Mumbai Mirror photo editor Sebastian D’Souza, and was the first glimpse of the terrorists who have held Mumbai hostage over the last 48 hours.

Now we can also tell you who this man is and how he has become the vital link for investigating agencies to crack the terror plot. His name is Azam Amir Kasav, he is 21 years old, speaks fluent English, hails from tehsil Gipalpura in Faridkot in Pakistan, and is the only terrorist from this audacious operation to have been captured alive.An ATS spokesperson confirmed that the man captured was indeed the one photographed by us.

[CaptainCrunch]

Good then they have common ground for discussions. I have no sympathy for this murderer but I think that we're heard the last of him.

Painfull interrogation, followed by promises of less pain, break and give up information, brains on wall, shallow grave in a manure field.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by HOZ

I want to live! Sniff, sniff... says the jumper cable tester.

My favorite was how after "intense interrogation" he stated "I no longer want to live" hahaha

[ok, ok,....I get it]

did anyone see the interview with that fella from Montreal that escaped after being shot 4 times......amazing that dude is bada$$

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by ikaris

The main issue though is that it seems that the Pakistan government does not have complete control of the extremist elements within the country and it poses a risk to the rest of the world.

I'm looking forward to the Obama presidency as he has suggested that he would launch an attack in Pakistan if he had reasonable intelligence against the terrorists even if the Pakistan government did not support it (essentially if they refused to act themselves).

I hope Obama follows through with his focus on Pakistan and tries to get something done there. It's amazing how Pakistan has managed to stay under the radar through this whole "war on terror" (must be no oil and nukes?). If anything good can come of this tragedy, hopefully it's that Pakistan finally gets some attention and pressure to clean up their Islamic Extremism.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I hope Obama follows through with his focus on Pakistan and tries to get something done there. It's amazing how Pakistan has managed to stay under the radar through this whole "war on terror" (must be no oil and nukes?). If anything good can come of this tragedy, hopefully it's that Pakistan finally gets some attention and pressure to clean up their Islamic Extremism.

Except they have nukes.

My girlfriend is Pakistani Muslim. We have the funnest conversations! I have some crrrazy stories from there.

[OilersBaby]

Wow, I just read the most incredible story of survival. Here's the link in case you haven't read it yet: http://www.forbes.com/2008/12/01/mum...?feed=rss_news