CPS: "Our worst fear" - innocent bystander shot in the face...

[flamey_mcflame]

Here's a novel solution. Every time one of those illegal handguns that enter this country from the U.S. and are used in the shooting of one our fellow Canadians, our country should fine the Yanks one million dollars. Of course, our spineless government, regardless of pary, would never try anything along those measures. We only let the U.S. dictate the rules of the game. I wish our country would grow a pair and realize that the American gun industry is responsible for many of these senseless crimes.

[flamey_mcflame]

By the way,

At some point people are gonna have to choose security or individual freedoms. You really can not have both. If you want a world without crime, then you lose some individual freedoms. Unless, you define freedom from crime as the ultimate freedom. Which I do. I would not be surprised that in the next 50 to 100 years, that we will move towards a more big brother state. I really have no idea what the world would look like, but it would probably entail some sort of human gps tracking, biometrics and all encompassing surveillance. It just seems to be the direction the world is moving towards. Well, DNA cloning and super humans. But thats another topic all together.

Anyways, if all the technological advances occured. Ask yourself this question. Is it possible that this type of world would actually be more desirable than our present condition?? Crime severely curtailed, billions saved from not having a massive police force, not having a massive judicial system and a very small insurance industry. Anyways, I could write a 100 page thesis on this. But ultimately, the future has the potential where good people are not victimized and bad people are punished. It's a lot closer than some would think. Bring it on baby, bring it on.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Here's a novel solution. Every time one of those illegal handguns that enter this country from the U.S. and are used in the shooting of one our fellow Canadians, our country should fine the Yanks one million dollars. Of course, our spineless government, regardless of pary, would never try anything along those measures. We only let the U.S. dictate the rules of the game. I wish our country would grow a pair and realize that the American gun industry is responsible for many of these senseless crimes.

Oh give me a break, maybe we should fine the border guards a million bucks as well, or the inspectors at the dock a billion dollars a pop as well.

The gun industry isn't responsible, they don't aim the guns and pull the trigger. Whats next are you going to blame the baseball bat industry for the next beat down. Or hey maybe we can fine the feather industry the next time grandpa decides to off grandma by smothering her to death.

This has nothing to do with the American gun industry, and everything to do with weak laws, understaffed police departments and liberal judges.

You do know that there are major gun manufacturers in China, in Singapore, Russia etc, wheres the call to fine them?

[metallicat]

I have a question: who here would feel safer if they could legally carry a concealed handgun in this country?

[CaptainCrunch]

Me, because I've been trained on it, and I think I would be a quicker draw then the other guy. But god help the sucker who cuts me off during lunch hour.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

I have a question: who here would feel safer if they could legally carry a concealed handgun in this country?

I'd be afraid of it discharging in my pocket.




...that's what she said...

[CaptainCrunch]

sweaters are cheap

[Locke]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

By the way,

At some point people are gonna have to choose security or individual freedoms. You really can not have both. If you want a world without crime, then you lose some individual freedoms. Unless, you define freedom from crime as the ultimate freedom. Which I do. I would not be surprised that in the next 50 to 100 years, that we will move towards a more big brother state. I really have no idea what the world would look like, but it would probably entail some sort of human gps tracking, biometrics and all encompassing surveillance. It just seems to be the direction the world is moving towards. Well, DNA cloning and super humans. But thats another topic all together.

"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."
- Benjamin Franklin

Have fun living in the People's Democratic Republic of Hell.

There is no such thing as absolute safety. Deal with it.

[flamey_mcflame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The gun industry isn't responsible, they don't aim the guns and pull the trigger. Whats next are you going to blame the baseball bat industry for the next beat down. Or hey maybe we can fine the feather industry the next time grandpa decides to off grandma by smothering her to death.

This has nothing to do with the American gun industry, and everything to do with weak laws, understaffed police departments and liberal judges.

Right, the common sense approach. The argument everyone who actually doesn't actually bother to research guns,violence and criminal law.

Those tough laws, ultraconservative judges and heavily staffed police forces in states such as Texas,Georgia, Florida, West Virginia etc. has led to a major decrease in crime. Wrong.

However, you do know what you do find when you study guns and violence?? Places where access to guns are easier have higher shooting and murder rates.

And yes, guns are to blame more than bats,knives and other weapons. You can't kill or harm someone unless you're in extremely close contact with the victime. People use guns because the odds of doing harm and escape are much higher.

So spare me youre QR77 logic on how to solve violence unless you do your research. You forgot to add that, "guns don't kill people, people kill people".

[FanIn80]

I like the idea I heard a couple weeks ago (can't remember where), that suggested we classify gangs as "Suburban Terrorists."

This would expose them to a whole new set of laws, and law enforcement procedures: preemptive strikes, arrest first/question later, military force, torture, instant deportation... etc etc.

I'm all for it. I'm being serious, too.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Right, the common sense approach. The argument everyone who actually doesn't actually bother to research guns,violence and criminal law.

Wow, I so sorry, I'm just not as smart as you, oh woe is me. You know, theres a reason why its called the common sense approach, because what we're currently doing, isn't working.

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Those tough laws, ultraconservative judges and heavily staffed police forces in states such as Texas,Georgia, Florida, West Virginia etc. has led to a major decrease in crime. Wrong.

And the Canadian Justice system with soft sentences, easy parole, and hand cuffing the police from doing their jobs is such a radical improvement isn't it?

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

However, you do know what you do find when you study guns and violence?? Places where access to guns are easier have higher shooting and murder rates.

How many gun murders are committed by people who have properly registered fire arms? How many are committed by people that are buying these weapons off of the street and off of criminal gangs out to make a quick buck. Its not the gun industry thats killing these people, its the scumbags who are out to make a quick buck at the expense of human misery. Please show me how many gun crimes are committed by weapons coming off of U.S. production lines, Asian production lines, former eastern block construction lines? The free and easy access to guns is not being provided through legitimate sources, but through criminal sources.

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

And yes, guns are to blame more than bats,knives and other weapons. You can't kill or harm someone unless you're in extremely close contact with the victime. People use guns because the odds of doing harm and escape are much higher.

What the frick does range have to do with anything? If you stab someone in a fight, your escape plan is just as good, if you get the drop on someone with a bat, your escape plan is pretty good. You know that most pistol based crimes are committed within three meters of the victim right, this isn't the movie where the killer stands 100 yards away with a .38 special and actually manages to hit his target with a fatal wound.

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

So spare me youre QR77 logic on how to solve violence unless you do your research. You forgot to add that, "guns don't kill people, people kill people".

People have to have the intent and pull the trigger in order for a gun to kill people. People who have the intent actually have to go out and buy a gun to pull the trigger. And in the same tone, spare me your smart ass comments, you don't know what I listen to radio wise, you don't know if I've actually read books on crime, or actually sat down and talked to police officers about their frustrations with the criminal judgement system. All your doing is taking your view and trying to cram it down my throat with a lot of bluster.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by fotze

We could extend the terrorist label to all sort of other crimes we want elimiated.

Money embezzlers could be Financial Terrorists. Car thieves could be Parking lot Terrorists. Rapists could be Vaginal Terrorists.

A Vaginal Terrorist sounds so much more impressive than a rapist.

[tvp2003]

To update the original story, they've arrested the suspect: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...0-ac4997a81588

At the time of both shootings, Warawa had been given a prohibition on owning fire arms that is in effect until 2014.
Warawa is no stranger to police. In 1997, he shot a jewelry store owner in the neck during a robbery attempt and fired at two policemen.
He was sentenced to nine years behind bars on that attempted murder count.
In 2006, he was sentenced to three months in jail on drug charges.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

To update the original story, they've arrested the suspect: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...0-ac4997a81588

Geez you'd think our wonderful justice system would have rehabilitated that POS.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by Robbob

There needs to be a change in the legislation to help the police. I get the impression that the police know who are in the gangs but can't do anything until they are caught (I understand the shooting downtown was drug related and that individual probably wasn't known by police). I think it is getting to the point where more police officers won't help until there is a fundamental change in how we target and deal with gangs.

Personally I could care less what all these shootings are about. This needless violence needs to be dealt with before tragic injuries to innocent people like this turn into deaths. People in authourity need to stop taking violent crimes lightly in this country and put some of these people away to do some hard time instead of slapping them on the wrist every time.

I could not imagine if this happened to someone I know or myself. You have to really feel for this guy and his family and hope things start to change before they get worse.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

To update the original story, they've arrested the suspect: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...0-ac4997a81588

Clearly a dangerous offender. So why the hell is someone who shoots to kill a person, and opens fire on cops not locked up for longer then a 9 year sentance? If they feel the need to ban firearms from his possession why is he allowed back into the general population...what a joke. If he gets anything less then another 20 years after these offences its a complete joke.

[flamesaresmokin]

Originally Posted by driveway

One thing that has a major impact on this is that all of the cities you've named (with the exception of New York) are in far more temperate climate zones which contributes to a much greater 'street culture' - more people walk the streets, period. There are more areas of the city where retail and food outlets allow for people to congregate in numbers and engage in social activities. And New York, for obvious reasons, has some of the greatest street culture in the world.

The biggest reason being these cities have a significant police presence and have much harsher punishments for people that don't abide by the rules.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by flamey_mcflame

Here's a novel solution. Every time one of those illegal handguns that enter this country from the U.S. and are used in the shooting of one our fellow Canadians, our country should fine the Yanks one million dollars. Of course, our spineless government, regardless of pary, would never try anything along those measures. We only let the U.S. dictate the rules of the game. I wish our country would grow a pair and realize that the American gun industry is responsible for many of these senseless crimes.

Quite possibly the worst post I've ever read on this site. Great idea, bud. Fine the americans because the canadian border guard didn't catch an illegal gun entering the country. What else do you want to do? Fine bears for illegal fishing?

[pepper24]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

To update the original story, they've arrested the suspect: http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...0-ac4997a81588

Wow, the Canadian Government needs to imply a 3 strikes then you're locked behind bars until death rule. If any candidate offers to bring this in even a fring party like the Green Party, I'll vote for them. The justice system is my #1 voting concern for the upcoming election.

- fire arm charges (probation until 2014)
- attempted murder in 1997 (oddly with a firearm)
- attempted murder this week (oddly with firearm)

Assuming he is convicted of this recent crime, that's easily 3 strikes and this 30 year old clown should rot in jail until he dies.

[corporatejay]

So he shot a man in the neck and fired at two cops and got 9 years. BRUTAL.