How to lose fat???

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by photon

Like 1000 calories a day. I've lost a LOT of weight on it, and I had a lot to lose.. I'm about 2/3rds of the way.

I know it isn't the most ideal diet, but it was the only thing that would really work for me, at least to get me on the right path anyway. Now that I'm down 2/3rds I have more energy and am much more willing to exercise and such, but when I started I wanted a plan that I know would work without adding exercise. I know myself and I had to start somewhere

Hmm, well hopefully you can work up to a more ideal calorie plan with more exercise to make up for it, once you reach your target weight.

[photon]

That's the plan.. To begin with I wanted a diet where I could get to a healthy (non health risk) weight while on my current lifestyle. Changing diet and adding exercise has just been too much change for me in the past. So that when I get to my target weight I just increase my food until I find what my metabolism is and there we go. If that's 2000 calories a day so be it.

I don't really want to be on a strict diet though for the rest of my life so I agree with you, I have to transition into something more sustainable, and once I can I'd like to add some weight training, like Azure points out about the muscle mass = metabolism increase. I want to be able to enjoy some food without ballooning back up.

This one is that low because it puts the body into ketosis or whatever it's called, so I burn 3-4000 calories of fat a day. So I never really feel hungry or lacking energy (unless I cheat). The result is pretty rapid loss too.

That's part of the plan they have anyway, they don't just set you lose once you reach your weight, they spend some time increasing your foods and monitoring things to see how it goes so you can get a sense of what the right level is.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by photon

That's the plan.. To begin with I wanted a diet where I could get to a healthy (non health risk) weight while on my current lifestyle. Changing diet and adding exercise has just been too much change for me in the past. So that when I get to my target weight I just increase my food until I find what my metabolism is and there we go. If that's 2000 calories a day so be it.

I don't really want to be on a strict diet though for the rest of my life so I agree with you, I have to transition into something more sustainable, and once I can I'd like to add some weight training, like Azure points out about the muscle mass = metabolism increase. I want to be able to enjoy some food without ballooning back up.

This one is that low because it puts the body into ketosis or whatever it's called, so I burn 3-4000 calories of fat a day. So I never really feel hungry or lacking energy (unless I cheat). The result is pretty rapid loss too.

That's part of the plan they have anyway, they don't just set you lose once you reach your weight, they spend some time increasing your foods and monitoring things to see how it goes so you can get a sense of what the right level is.

If you want to get into ketosis, are you using a low-carb diet?

[photon]

It's a low everything diet

It's not specifically low carb, it's pretty balanced, just low portions. The carbs are pretty restricted (no pasta, bread etc, carbs are crackers, melba toast, tortillas etc), but still there in portion.

10oz of protein a day, 16oz veggies, 2 servings of fruit (apple = 1 serving), and 2 servings of starch (10 cheeze nips! = 1 serving ), plus a misc allocation for dressings, salsa, spices, etc.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Well, how many people exercise like that?

I'm taking about high-intensity, short duration workouts in general compared to low-intensity, long duration workouts. You know, what the general public does and what 80% of patients that we see do.

I'm sure that HIIT is great. It's just that most people can barely keep track of their daily calories, much less follow a complicated work-out plan. The more complicated a food plan/workout plan/budget/basically anything in life, the lower the adherence rate.

I absolutely agree.

I fully advocate any type of exercise, even low intensity....which could be basically be a walk for some people.

But, if you want results in LESS time...HIIT is the way to go.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If that's the case, my internal organs sure look unattractive and are annoying. I have a 29 waist. The stomach portion sticks out to like 32-33 inches after a meal! It's very uncomfortable and visably noticeable through clothing. Looks like I'm pregnant. I guess I can consult a doctor. Maybe I have an alien gestating inside of me.

Ah.....I'd call that fat.

Another suggestion.....don't eat until you're bloated.

I usually eat around 6 meals of 400 calories each, and it amazingly keeps me not only full....but also from going hungry throughout the day.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Azure

Ah.....I'd call that fat.

Another suggestion.....don't eat until you're bloated.

I usually eat around 6 meals of 400 calories each, and it amazingly keeps me not only full....but also from going hungry throughout the day.

Oh I never eat until I am bloated specifically because of that, its just when you are out with people, that is unavoidable. I already eat less than most people that I know and I've been eating small portions all my life.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Dan02

You say it's not untrue, then say you might have to drop all the way to 5% body fat. Well for certain body types hitting 5% body fat is neigh impossible and further more unhealthy. 5% body fat is even low on the range for competition body builders, cyclist and runners.

Or not. Nothing is EVER impossible.

5% is a bit low for most....if you want a super-trim/toned body...shoot for 8%.

Hockey players sit at 5-6%.

Anything between 14-18% is considered very healthy. A man with such a percentage will appear fit. Under 14% and a man is in athletic shape. Under 10% and a man will have his six pack showing. For men, 2-4% is considered essential body fat level. Anything below that is considered unhealthy.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Oh I never eat until I am bloated specifically because of that, its just when you are out with people, that is unavoidable. I already eat less than most people that I know and I've been eating small portions all my life.

Seriously, good for you.

The biggest problem some people have is over-eating with EACH meal.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

^ Sounds good, photon.

Just make sure you're eating properly.

I second that.

HIIT is not for everyone....although the shape you're in doesn't really determine whether or not you can actually do it.

A proper diet is fundamentally more important than exercise if you want to lose weight.

Although both together should get you fantastic results.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by photon

Like 1000 calories a day. I've lost a LOT of weight on it, and I had a lot to lose.. I'm about 2/3rds of the way.

I know it isn't the most ideal diet, but it was the only thing that would really work for me, at least to get me on the right path anyway. Now that I'm down 2/3rds I have more energy and am much more willing to exercise and such, but when I started I wanted a plan that I know would work without adding exercise. I know myself and I had to start somewhere

CaramonLS did the same thing. I do believe it worked great for him.

Key is to realize that you won't be eating 1000 calories per day....'forever.' Eventually you will HAVE to slowly increase your calories to a point where you can sustain a body weight that you are comfortable with.

I know a lot of people wouldn't advocate going to such extremes(VERY low calorie diet)....but if you're medically supervised, good for you.

But even above all that....I still recommend weight training. Like I pointed out earlier....gaining just 10lbs of muscle will go a long way to help you accomplish your goals.

Although in your case....it might not work right now.

[photon]

I thought I should probably build up some kind of cardio before I tried HIIT, but I would like to give it a try at some point, it does sound very effective.

[HOOT]

Don't eat Sugar...doesn't matter how much you run or workout, calories from Sugar seem to go straight to that "spare tire".

Also working out with weights is better than cardio...if you had to choose one or the other.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by photon

I thought I should probably build up some kind of cardio before I tried HIIT, but I would like to give it a try at some point, it does sound very effective.

Its very taxing on your body though.....if you do it properly.

What time of the day do you do your cardio?

[photon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Its very taxing on your body though.....if you do it properly.

What time of the day do you do your cardio?

Right now I do it after I get home from work but before I eat supper. The morning is really tough for me, and I don't want to do it after supper. I figure this way I'm burning actual fat rather than calories I just gained from eating.

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Any credence to atkins type high protein low carbohydrate diets?

Speaking of genetic makeup, I have a mutant acetaldehyde dehydrogenase enzyme so I can't really even (and therefore don't) drink alcohol so it's a beer belly without beer. I drink a lot of water, at least a glass of it an hour. I'm also allergic to a large swathe of fruits and certain fungi like mushrooms so I typically have to eat green vegetables only.

Well, it's my colleagues downstairs that put together the healthy eating guide, so I just read what they pass around. I should ask that and find out. Personally, I don't think it's a good idea. Your body still needs carbs and sugars. Protein rich diet puts your body at risk for ketosis (your blood having a higher pH than normal). I suppose if properly managed, atkins would work in theory, but there are more healthier ways to loose weight besides dieting

If my BCEM knowledge serves me correctly, you're missing the 2nd enzyme for metabolizing alcohol. You'll be a cheap drunk if you drank

also, there isn't actually scientific proof to the 8 glasses of water a day, but drinking water helps.

As a genetics grad, no one is perfect

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by lchoy

If my BCEM knowledge serves me correctly, you're missing the 2nd enzyme for metabolizing alcohol. You'll be a cheap drunk if you drank

LOL, the problem isn't the speed of metabolizing alcohol, it's the lingering products of that. Can't break down acetaldehyde (the product of alcohol metabolization) so acetaldehyde poisoning in the bloodstream yay!

http://www.annalsnyas.org/cgi/conten...ract/1011/1/36

You guys that can drink don't know how lucky I think you are, but many people would say otherwise.

[LChoy]

I should rephrase, not cheap drunk, but chronic hangover or death. Yay....
I feel for you dude

[Buzzard]

Try this: www.nosdiet.com

[Azure]

Originally Posted by photon

Right now I do it after I get home from work but before I eat supper. The morning is really tough for me, and I don't want to do it after supper. I figure this way I'm burning actual fat rather than calories I just gained from eating.

There is benefit in doing cardio each morning.

But its not for everyone....I can't, or won't....cause I'm lazy in the morning.