4X4 and REDVAN's Deerfoot Dream Comes True

[CaramonLS]

The question I have for 4X4 and all the other left lane speeders...

What's your limit then? If I'm doing 120 in the left lane, will you tail gate me? What if Redvan is doing 130 and 4X4 comes up and decides that you should be going 140 in the left lane what happens? Does the world implode from the paradox?

[ken0042]

If I'm doing 120 in the left lane, and somebody comes up behind me going faster, I will pull over if traffic allows.

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

The question I have for 4X4 and all the other left lane speeders...

What's your limit then? If I'm doing 120 in the left lane, will you tail gate me? What if Redvan is doing 130 and 4X4 comes up and decides that you should be going 140 in the left lane what happens? Does the world implode from the paradox?

If you are doing 120 and I am going faster, then I will expect at your first possible chance for you to move to the right and let me pass. If you do not take a clear opportunity to move over and let me pass then I will probably pass you on the right when it is safe for me to do so.

But if it is impossible for you to move over, I will notice that, and not tailgate you too hard. I would still follow close.

If 4X4 comes up behind me then I would move out of his way, I always get out of the way of father moving vehicles, unless I myself wish to now go as fast as they are going.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

The question I have for 4X4 and all the other left lane speeders...

What's your limit then? If I'm doing 120 in the left lane, will you tail gate me? What if Redvan is doing 130 and 4X4 comes up and decides that you should be going 140 in the left lane what happens? Does the world implode from the paradox?

You're doing 120 in the left lane and I catch up to you and am behind you...: I assume you're in the left lane because you're passing other cars and therefore, your speed is fine.
If you're not actually passing cars and are either:
a) keeping pace with the middle lane
b) driving in the left lane for no apparent reason, as the middle lane is open,

you need to die.

See what I'm getting at? I know we're all half joking and most of you people think I'm a raging psychopath that drives a hummer and goes 300kph all the time, but no... I'm simply saying that there are people that drive faster than other people. Hell, I get passed all the time. I don't feel the need to police the road. Just move over for faster traffic IF THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE.
You shouldn't be in the left lane when the road is almost empty. We're not discussing rush hour.
When there are only a few cars on the road, pass the middle lane person in the left lane, then get back into the middle lane.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

But if it is impossible for you to move over, I will notice that, and not tailgate you too hard. I would still follow close.

The last person that was tailgateing me was drinking coffee at the time. I tapped my breaks to get his attention and he ended up spilling coffee all over his front shirt

[Grunt]

4x4 is owning this thread.

I too tend to drive over the speed limit quite frequently, but usually keep it to around 110 on Deerfoot just because I'm paranoid about photo radar. However, if I were in the left hand lane and doing 130, and by being a responsible driver, noticed in my rear view that someone was approaching me going faster, I would obviously move over to the middle lane to let them pass at my earliest convenience.

It is mind boggling to me how it isn't obvious to some people that NOT being courteous like this to other drivers on the road is really quite dangerous. For anyone using the age old, rock solid argument of quoting laws - honestly, are you freaking kidding me? You should ALWAYS be courteous.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Grunt

4x4 is owning this thread.

I too tend to drive over the speed limit quite frequently, but usually keep it to around 110 on Deerfoot just because I'm paranoid about photo radar. However, if I were in the left hand lane and doing 130, and by being a responsible driver, noticed in my rear view that someone was approaching me going faster, I would obviously move over to the middle lane to let them pass at my earliest convenience.

It is mind boggling to me how it isn't obvious to some people that NOT being courteous like this to other drivers on the road is really quite dangerous. For anyone using the age old, rock solid argument of quoting laws - honestly, are you freaking kidding me? You should ALWAYS be courteous.

And you shouldn't speed either

[HotHotHeat]

Here's what irks me...

When I'm in the left lane passing someone in the right lane, and a car is on my ass being impatient, the impatient car doesn't wait for me to move into the right lane before passing. Instead, they cut off the car that I, along with said tailgater have just passed by swerving into the right lane and gunning it to pass on my right. The car in the right lane is forced to slam on their breaks and I'm usually forced to swerve back into the left lane.

My rule of thumb, which is completely reasonable, is to wait until there is at least 1 or 1 1/2 cars length distance between me and the car I've just passed before entering the right lane. A-holes that are too important to wait for me to move over are the reason people are attacking 4x4 and REDVAN, and rightfully so. I'm not at all saying that describes either of you two as drivers, but it comes with the territory, somewhat unfortunately.

[Temporary_User]

Sorry I didn't read most of this thread...

Wow I can't believe people are so ignorant to the rules of the road!

There is no reason to be driving in the left lane!!
I'm fairly certain that in the states you can get a ticket for simply cruising in the left lane (although I believe rarely enforced)

This thread started by people pointing out there are signs stating to keep right... Now we have some people on (how they got there I don't know) moral highground, stating that they are not going to obey those signs, refering to other signs (speed limit).

If you're driving the speed limit, going with the flow of traffic, what's the big deal on staying in the right lane? I don't see the reason traffic (cars) can't be in a line instead of a zig zag patter.
I really think instead of going from 2 lanes (one each direction) it should be 3 lanes not 4, that way people would finally understand that the left lane is passing only!

[Temporary_User]

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.61.100
-Washington State law (where I got my license)

sorry I couldn't find alberta, but it is all north america...

[Ford Prefect]

I like to drive in the left lane on Deerfoot. It's a survival thing ... i've just about been killed too many times by idiots making a last minute dive across three lanes of traffic to catch their exit when I'm in one of the right hand lanes. I figure the chances of getting cutting off by these dive bombers is pretty much nil in the left lane, therefore my life expectancy is higher there. So I try to flow with the traffic in the left lane, and if somebody is catching up to me the courteous thing to do is get the hell out of the way at earliest possible opportunity.

Oh ya, if flowing with the traffic means speeding, so be it. If I don't want to speed I can stay out of the left lane. Either way, it's my choice.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

Sorry I didn't read most of this thread...

Actually, you should have. Because the rest of your post really looks bad. Let me explain...

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

Wow I can't believe people are so ignorant to the rules of the road!

Interesting statement since you obviously are "ignorant" to the rules of the road as previously indicated in this thread, and for other reasons I will go into further.

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

There is no reason to be driving in the left lane!!
I'm fairly certain that in the states you can get a ticket for simply cruising in the left lane (although I believe rarely enforced)

Regardless of what may or may not be law in the States, in AB, it IS ok to drive the speed limit in the left lane even if the signage indicates "Slower Traffic Keep Right". Go back and read the thread. Proof is there.

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

This thread started by people pointing out there are signs stating to keep right... Now we have some people on (how they got there I don't know) moral highground, stating that they are not going to obey those signs, refering to other signs (speed limit).

No, the signs said SLOWER traffic keep right. And by the laws related to THAT sign, driving the speed limit in the left lane IS ok.

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

If you're driving the speed limit, going with the flow of traffic, what's the big deal on staying in the right lane? I don't see the reason traffic (cars) can't be in a line instead of a zig zag patter.

I will address that one when and if you can rewrite it to make a bit more sense.

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.61.100
-Washington State law (where I got my license)

sorry I couldn't find alberta, but it is all north america...

OK, now here is where your "ignorant to the rules of the road!" comes back to bite you in the @$$.

You DO realize there is a difference between "Slower Traffic Keep Right" and "Keep Right Except To Pass"? Right? Don't tell me you are ignorant to that, now... Not after that tirade!

I posted about it once, but feel free to look into it further.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...7&postcount=99

"Keep Right Except To Pass" signs are NOT on Deerfoot. They are a different beast.

Thanks for playing.

[chid]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

The question I have for 4X4 and all the other left lane speeders...

What's your limit then? If I'm doing 120 in the left lane, will you tail gate me? What if Redvan is doing 130 and 4X4 comes up and decides that you should be going 140 in the left lane what happens? Does the world implode from the paradox?

I probably won't tailgate you at 120, but if someone came up behind me doing faster than that I would move to the middle lane when I could to let him pass.

[Temporary_User]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

Interesting statement since you obviously are "ignorant" to the rules of the road as previously indicated in this thread, and for other reasons I will go into further.

If you re-read my post I never said it was the law, not to drive in the left lane here. I said I thought it was in the States, then later found evidence where it is. Again, I got my license in WA state, so that's the way I was taught, and believe me it is a much better system. It is simply rude to slow someone down. We'll skip the Canadians are a more polite country debate for this time.
Driving up here, I've experience way more road rage. Although granted that could be simply a matter of I don't have as much experience driving down there as I do here.
People will actually purposely cruise at the same speed as the person next to them just so one can't pass. The few times this has happened to me, though the person in the right lane has recognized it and helped me through so we both can get in front of the idiot that is going to cause a wreck (If someone is going to cause a wreck you want to be in front of that car, so it doesnt affect yours).
I have also have seen instances of people slamming on their brakes in an effort for ppl to hit them. Believe me if I didn't have a decent car I would hit the guy! (No I don't tail gate, but believe me you will be getting a couple courtesy hi-beams).

Originally Posted by Shawnski

You DO realize there is a difference between "Slower Traffic Keep Right" and "Keep Right Except To Pass"? Right?

I guess we'll play the semantics game...
Slower traffic keep right = Legal to drive in the left lane, but if you're going slower than someone keep right so they can pass you.
Keep right except to pass = We'll that shouldn't be too hard to understand, it means keep the in the right lane.
You would think this is all so simple and common courtesy,

Here is the way I drive, and would recommend it for ease of traffic flow and to stop road rage. Drive in the right lane. If someone is going slower than you, signal into the left lane, pass, then get right back into the right lane.
Even if I'm on an extremely rural (read: empty), but still two lane road, I stick to the right lane.

[Dion]

[Ryan Coke]

Slower traffic keep right.

You can read what you want into it and justify this further, but that is clear. If you do not follow that sign based on your perceived high ground about the posted speed limit, then you are violating a long held tenant of highway travel which is backed up by this sign because apparently you were never exposed to it, and choose not to want to follow it.

I am happy for everyone who travels the speed limit, but if you are in the left lane and you are slower than someone who is behind you, it is obvious what you should do in the interests of safety and traffic flow. You may not get a ticket if you are doing the speed limit, but you are ignoring the intent of the rule.

Slower traffic keep right. It really isn't that complicated.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by 4X4

You're doing 120 in the left lane and I catch up to you and am behind you...: I assume you're in the left lane because you're passing other cars and therefore, your speed is fine.
If you're not actually passing cars and are either:
a) keeping pace with the middle lane
b) driving in the left lane for no apparent reason, as the middle lane is open,

you need to die.

See what I'm getting at? I know we're all half joking and most of you people think I'm a raging psychopath that drives a hummer and goes 300kph all the time, but no... I'm simply saying that there are people that drive faster than other people. Hell, I get passed all the time. I don't feel the need to police the road. Just move over for faster traffic IF THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE.
You shouldn't be in the left lane when the road is almost empty. We're not discussing rush hour.
When there are only a few cars on the road, pass the middle lane person in the left lane, then get back into the middle lane.

I think that line is exactly what the people you loathe should take away from this thread. You're not the cops, therefore don't be passive agressive and take out your frustration with speeders by slowing up the left-hand lane. It's VERY unsafe, and many accidents can result. You can only control your own driving so do what's most safe for you at all times and let the police sort out the speeders.

[Shawnski]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

If you re-read my post I never said it was the law, not to drive in the left lane here. I said I thought it was in the States, then later found evidence where it is.

You spoke of rules, i.e. laws and linked to a site that talked about laws for a different type of sign. Mountainous areas tend to have more of the "Keep Right Except To Pass" signs. Freeways don't. They have the one we are talking about here in this thread.

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Slower traffic keep right.

You can read what you want into it and justify this further, but that is clear. If you do not follow that sign based on your perceived high ground about the posted speed limit, then you are violating a long held tenant of highway travel which is backed up by this sign because apparently you were never exposed to it, and choose not to want to follow it.

I am happy for everyone who travels the speed limit, but if you are in the left lane and you are slower than someone who is behind you, it is obvious what you should do in the interests of safety and traffic flow. You may not get a ticket if you are doing the speed limit, but you are ignoring the intent of the rule.

Slower traffic keep right. It really isn't that complicated.

I am not "reading what I want into it", I only join into these discussions to correct misconceptions when people misrepresent and/or misunderstand the law or other factual information. I defy you to find a post I make in any of these threads that isn't factual. But if you want my viewpoint, I can do that too.

And I don't believe you are old enough to understand the history of which you speak. Most people I know from my generation were taught that on freeways, where there are numerous on ramps and exits (especially central Deerfoot where they can be both) it is wiser to go into the "through" lanes, i.e. the two on the left and thus alleviate congestion for those getting on and off the freeway.

Where do you think more accidents occur? The "fast" lane(s) or the merging/right lanes? Where do you get more frustration? Merging into heavy traffic or having to slow down once in a while for someone not going as fast as you want? What do you think would happen if all of a sudden, people really concentrated in that right lane... even if they are not going to exit for many miles yet? You think merging is bad NOW? And don't forget those "second" merge lane racers either. Like on Memorial merging into southbound Deerfoot. Never fails that some moron will see the line in the left most merge lane and fly down in the right most one that ends right where everyone is either exitting Deerfoot onto 17th, or entering Deerfoot. So moron will cut in, hammer breaks and immediately causes all traffic behind him/her to grind to a halt. This really helps matters as now no one is keeping pace with the right most Deerfoot lane. Boom, chaos. Again, add more people "keeping right" to that mix and you have pure butt ugly.

Food for thought.

Personally, I have long passed the days where I thought driving was a race. In ways, it is like the "Weed" thread. At some point, you just stop doing it. I usually drive Deerfoot at the speed limit plus GST. I don't "cruise" the left lane unless I am going a long way and traffic is dictating that pace anyways. I am VERY courteous on the roads.

And I try not to get road rage. Could have easily today. Three times actually. Dickheads that deserve nothing less than to lose their licenses. One guy came within a couple feet of causing a major pile up. Had I not hammered my breaks to let him in, he would have rearended a car that was in a lineup to turn left (Barlow NE, just south of 16th Ave by the Mohawk). The right lane was jammed (and going ~70 kph), he come flying up in the left lane (~90 kph), obviously sees the cars backed up in the left lane, and has nowhere to go.

That was too close for comfort. But hey, what do I know. I was in the right lane and I was doing about the speed limit like those packed in front of me and behind me.

I laugh sometimes even at the "courteous" remarks. Speeders want others to be courteous to them... but....

[Ryan Coke]

Shawnski,

You are deciding that the policy of slower traffic keep right doesn't mean any and all slower traffic, but only involves the people that are at or below the published speed limit. I understand why you want to come up with that connection, it is not completely illogical. But it does not directly exist, and in your quest for fact you are creating a link which is not published (unless it does but have not seen it). It does not say 'slower traffic who are at or below the published speed limit should stay right'.

And what is with the age comment? How old would I have to be to understand the history of which I speak? Hah, if only to be as old and wise as you? Obviously for you to make that odd remark you have no idea how old or 'worldly' I am, but your attempt to make that kind of judgment certainly tells me something about your life experience.

Hey, I disagree with your view of the 'facts', but I believe in driving defensively and courteously, let people in front of me, and try not to cut people off ever--even if different people like to drive at different speeds.