Well, Its Super Tuesday...

[Caged Great]

I can tolerate any of Obama, Clinton, or McCain. They are more or less equal in my books as they aren't crazy wackjobs like Romney or Huckabee.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by feartheflames

George Clooney
"He possesses the one quality that you cannot teach and you can't learn. … He is a leader. He walks into a room and you want to follow him somewhere, anywhere. And … I've only seen that a couple of times in my life."

LOL wow that might be the dumbest thing I've heard in a while.

[Montana Moe]

Ron Paul placed a strong second in Montana with 25% of votes...
or Depending on your point of view.

Considering the "rugged individualist" mentality of many Montanans, this shouldn't come as a huge surprise to me.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

Ron Paul placed a strong second in Montana with 25% of votes...
or Depending on your point of view.

Considering the "rugged individualist" mentality of many Montanans, this shouldn't come as a huge surprise to me.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Well, clearly McCain has just about sewed up the nomination. Obama did very well yesterday, but Clinton won the big states except Obama's home state of Illinois. By my count, Obama trails her by a paltry 80 delegates. That one will go down to the wire.

[wpgflamesfan]

One could question my buddy raised when we were discussing this election was that if Hillary wins the whole thing and becomes the next president how will the United States be able to effectively negociate with the middle eastern countries who in large part believe that women are inferior

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Well, clearly McCain has just about sewed up the nomination.

I have never really minded John McCain, but as you have mentioned before, he is damn old. Too bad he wasn't younger, then again Dick Cheney has miraculously managed to stay alive, no doubt by sleeping in a cryogenic chamber next to Howard Hughes every night.

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

One could question my buddy raised when we were discussing this election was that if Hillary wins the whole thing and becomes the next president how will the United States be able to effectively negociate with the middle eastern countries who in large part believe that women are inferior

Well I would say to those countries, suck it up. Americans should not give a damn whether other countries like women or not. Some pretty important (and not-so-important) countries have had female leaders including off the top of my head the UK, Israel, India, Pakistan, Canada, Ireland, Turkey, New Zealand, Finland, the Philippines, and Bangladesh. I am sure there are a lot more.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

One could question my buddy raised when we were discussing this election was that if Hillary wins the whole thing and becomes the next president how will the United States be able to effectively negociate with the middle eastern countries who in large part believe that women are inferior

This is one of the reasons why I think Obama is the man. If any American can bring peace to the Middle East, and project a positive image about America being a true democracy, its a black President with the name Barack Hussein Obama. Whether we like it or not, we have to deal with the Middle East on their terms. The more we try to fit the square peg in the round hole the more we hurt the chances of reaching a peace accord. Forcing a woman into their faces guarantees another four to eight years of no solution. This reason alone is enough to make Hillary the worst choice available for President.

Plus, I can't stand the fact that they have to amend every piece of promotional material out there with, "I'm Hillary Clinton, and Bill has approved this ad".

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

This is one of the reasons why I think Obama is the man. If any American can bring peace to the Middle East, and project a positive image about America being a true democracy, its a black President with the name Barack Hussein Obama. Whether we like it or not, we have to deal with the Middle East on their terms. The more we try to fit the square peg in the round hole the more we hurt the chances of reaching a peace accord. Forcing a woman into their faces guarantees another four to eight years of no solution. This reason alone is enough to make Hillary the worst choice available for President.

Plus, I can't stand the fact that they have to amend every piece of promotional material out there with, "I'm Hillary Clinton, and Bill has approved this ad".

I don't buy it, and American's shouldn't base their decision on who they want in power around a name or a color, it should be the best person for the job, period.

Besides, as a Comedien once said, why wouldn't you negotiate with a country that claims to have invisible fighters, and enough nuclear bombs to turn your country into a self sustaining glass factory.

If I was president, the world would tremble dang nab it, and teenaged punks would live in fear.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

This is one of the reasons why I think Obama is the man. If any American can bring peace to the Middle East, and project a positive image about America being a true democracy, its a black President with the name Barack Hussein Obama. Whether we like it or not, we have to deal with the Middle East on their terms. The more we try to fit the square peg in the round hole the more we hurt the chances of reaching a peace accord. Forcing a woman into their faces guarantees another four to eight years of no solution. This reason alone is enough to make Hillary the worst choice available for President.

Plus, I can't stand the fact that they have to amend every piece of promotional material out there with, "I'm Hillary Clinton, and Bill has approved this ad".

I agree that dealing with the Middle East is very important and that America has done a horrible job of it so far but the reasoning behind your point sounds like someone in the 60s claiming that Martin Luther King was a poor choice to negotiate black civil rights with white folk because he wasn't a white man. When it comes to the Middle East both sides have a little growing up to do, endorsing/appeasing to their bigotry is no way to build a better world in the long run.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

I agree that dealing with the Middle East is very important and that America has done a horrible job of it so far but the reasoning behind your point sounds like someone in the 60s claiming that Martin Luther King was a poor choice to negotiate black civil rights with white folk because he wasn't a white man. When it comes to the Middle East both sides have a little growing up to do, endorsing/appeasing to their bigotry is no way to build a better world in the long run.

nope a 60 megaton bomb will do that.

kidding, kidding

[JohnnyFlame]

I'm wondering why Romney would stay in the hunt. He is pouring money down the drain now. His appeal to conservatives was smashed to pieces. He has nowhere to go and I'm thinking the Republican bigwigs are asking him to step aside. A McCain/Huckabee ticket makes a lot of sense although the pundits were saying even Huckabee isn't conservative enough for the conservatives. But when it comes down to it Huckabee's strength in the South coupled with McCains appeal to a broad spectrum of voters looks like their best shot.

On the other side I'd be looking at who has the most super delegates. Right now that would be the winning ticket.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

This is one of the reasons why I think Obama is the man. If any American can bring peace to the Middle East, and project a positive image about America being a true democracy, its a black President with the name Barack Hussein Obama. Whether we like it or not, we have to deal with the Middle East on their terms. The more we try to fit the square peg in the round hole the more we hurt the chances of reaching a peace accord. Forcing a woman into their faces guarantees another four to eight years of no solution. This reason alone is enough to make Hillary the worst choice available for President.

Plus, I can't stand the fact that they have to amend every piece of promotional material out there with, "I'm Hillary Clinton, and Bill has approved this ad".

I don't know where people get this idea that just because there is a black president he will somehow have better relations w/ the coloured people of the world. Blacks are not treated well in Middle Eastern countries. Several still practice slavery and there is a much better chance they will have less respect for him than a woman. Obama does poorly with all minority groups besides blacks.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/pri.../epolls/#CADEM

Look at how Obama does w/ latino voters. Very poorly. The idea that because Obama is a person of colour, all other coloured people will love him is ridiculous.

As for him having the middle name Hussein.... Look at how extreme muslims treat those who convert away from Islam.

Also I don't think a woman is incapable of dealing w/ the middle east. Like the above poster said some very important countries have had female leaders. Some of those leaders have been some of the most important and influential leaders in history.

Basically, my point is this, pandering to other people's bigotry is ridiculous. Elect who you think will do the best job and ignore their race and gender.

[Thunderball]

I think if Hillary can be as forceful and ruthless as Margaret Thatcher was as PM, she'll be just fine with foreign affairs. I'm starting to think Obama is all flash and no substance, and connections that link Barack Obama's arabic middle name to solving the Middle east crisis only fuel that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

I don't know where people get this idea that just because there is a black president he will somehow have better relations w/ the coloured people of the world. Blacks are not treated well in Middle Eastern countries. Several still practice slavery and there is a much better chance they will have less respect for him than a woman. Obama does poorly with all minority groups besides blacks.


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I read in the newspaper a while back that many African Americans actually resent him. It seems that many African Americans who are descendants of slaves don't consider immigrant Africans to be the same. I thought it was a little strange and I obviously can't verify if it is actually 100% true.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I think if Hillary can be as forceful and ruthless as Margaret Thatcher was as PM, she'll be just fine with foreign affairs. I'm starting to think Obama is all flash and no substance, and connections that link Barack Obama's arabic middle name to solving the Middle east crisis only fuel that.

Or she'll play the crying card when she gets shotdown in an negotiation.

Hillary - "I'm (sob) sorry (sob) it (sob) didn't (sob) work (sob) out (tear). Can we still be friends"

Ruthless foreign negotiator - "What? No"

Hillary - waaaah

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Or she'll play the crying card when she gets shotdown in an negotiation.

Hillary - "I'm (sob) sorry (sob) it (sob) didn't (sob) work (sob) out (tear). Can we still be friends"

Ruthless foreign negotiator - "What? No"

Hillary - waaaah

I agree... it was a backhanded shot at Clinton. She's bright enough, but she seems to tear up at every sign of weakness. Maybe its just the campaign strain, I don't know. I don't think First Gentleman(?) Bill Clinton stepping in and offering a night on the town will help either...

Personally, I think if Foreign Affairs is a legitimate concern, there's only one candidate on either side of the fence that's capable of doing a good job. I would rate Obama to be by far the least capable of the five remaining candidates on either side.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I read in the newspaper a while back that many African Americans actually resent him. It seems that many African Americans who are descendants of slaves don't consider immigrant Africans to be the same. I thought it was a little strange and I obviously can't verify if it is actually 100% true.

That may be true there is animosity between slave vs. non-slave blacks, but that still hasn't stopped blacks from coming out in force to vote for Obama. As the cosby would say, the proof is in the pudding. CNN has pretty good info on demographics break down (although I realize it is based on exit polls and not 100% accurate). Basically Obama gets the vast majority of the black vote. Hillary gets most female voters and the vast majority of latino voters.

Apparently Hillary also does much better w/ low income voters, and Obama w/ high income voters. That statistic is the one I find most interesting.

Anyway, the things that bother me about Obama are his inexperience and how his speeches don't actually address that many issues. He wants change for the future, and a future of change. So in our future we have change......yeah i get it, but what does it actually mean.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Or she'll play the crying card when she gets shotdown in an negotiation.

Hillary - "I'm (sob) sorry (sob) it (sob) didn't (sob) work (sob) out (tear). Can we still be friends"

Ruthless foreign negotiator - "What? No"

Hillary - waaaah

I find it interesting that no one expects Obama to suddenly start drinking Colt45's and doing gangsta rap in the White House, and yet Hillary can't escape the fact she's a woman. Apparently being black isn't a problem but if you're a woman every emotion is watched and scrutinized.

America is completely messed up in a deep, deep way.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by llama64

I find it interesting that no one expects Obama to suddenly start drinking Colt45's and doing gangsta rap in the White House, and yet Hillary can't escape the fact she's a woman. Apparently being black isn't a problem but if you're a woman every emotion is watched and scrutinized.

America is completely messed up in a deep, deep way.

I don't think it's just America that thinks like that. Take a look at some of the comments on Canadian boards too.