I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm merely pointing out (am quite sucessfully, I might add) that Canadians have a huge infieriority complext with their US neighbours, while the Americans don't seem to give a toss about Canada.
As for your Friday night/Saturday morning argument, are you serious? I don't want to be rude and tell someone to get a life, but seriously man. What is the point in arguing this? It would be akin to having a conversation on the dangers of inflationary economic growth and then blurting out in mid-conversation "you're stinky!"
Actually, americans do not give a toss about anything unless it is american. This difference with Canadians probably stems from our higher education (as you pointed out).
Pointing out the date. Hmm..I do not remember why I did that. Probably to just poke at the big american.
Oh, you are putting me on. You are not american? I am shocked...from your comments I would have guessed you were.
As I have stated, I think that the US is a great country with a lot of opportunity though not without its faults. I just do not get your argument or the need for it. There are many Canadians, and I am one of them who enjoy the winter. Ever been to southern Saskatchewan in January? With your reasoning, the Sudan must be a great place to live.
And man I would never call some "stinky" that is just rude.
As I am sure you are, I am only poking a little fun.
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Why would they all of a sudden stop doing this? They're been eating trillions of dollars a year for the past decade. It wouldn't make any sense economically to shut off the US.
You make the common mistake that just because something has happened for a long time, that it always will happen. The US economy is still far bigger than the Chinese, and there may come a point when they cannot sustain their levels of dollar and debt buying anymore, regardless of whether or not it makes economic sense for them to continue. Massive devaluation of the dollar can cause their economy to go into recession or even depression - and if it does, there is going to be one mother of an economic meltdown that will rebound on the US like nothing we've seen since the 30's.
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Face it, the Americans are the top dog in the world for a reason.
Yes, the destruction of the old world order in the two world wars, where they were the clear winners and every other major participant, the big losers. That was 60 years ago now, though, and the capital from that has been squandered over the last 20 years until it is almost all gone.
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It's the place where the cream of the crop go to live. I'm not denying that it doesn't have many many faults - crime, pollution, etc etc. On average I'd say that Canadians are better educated, but this doesn't mean that squat in the grand scheme of things. What Tucker Carlson often says is that Canada is like America's little brother who lives in the aparment above the store and keeps looking out the window wishing he was in on the party. It's true - all the top students in Canada wish to be educated in top US schools, because they are of a higher quality than anything in Canada. All the best jobs are in the USA. They have better weather.
Like I care what Tucker thinks - on the list of Americans whose opinions I respect, he's down around the Britney level of credibility. And what's with the weather obsession - should all the Americans move to Jamaica 'cause it's even nicer there? Give that one up, already.
As far as the "best schools" are concerned, the US also has some of the worst schools in the developed world - schools that spend absurd amounts of money on sports and the bare minimum on scholastics, or "schools" where stupidity like creationism is on the curriculum. Like most other US systems, the best examples of it are the world's elite, but the average ones are mostly inferior to every other developed nation's average. That does not mean it is superior, just different.
"Best jobs" is a laugh - are these the same Americans who work more hours every week on average than Europeans, Japanese and Canadians? You think the average worker in a German auto plant envies his American counterpart? Absolutely ridiculous. The only "best jobs" in America are the ones for the elite, which, last I checked, is not the majority of people. It'd be more accurate to say "America has the highest compensation for certain jobs where that compensation has become utterly divorced from the economic value of the work".
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And they're not up at 2am on a Friday night worrying about what Canadian is saying about them on a message board.
Uh, yah. If you didn't care, you wouldn't be replying - and you are more American in your attitudes than many of their own citizens. And from my experiences in the past on these subjects, there are plenty of Americans who do "worry" about what foreigners are saying about them, if only in the sense that their insular mentality is unable to process the idea that not everyone wants to be an American, and that this doesn't necessarily mean they are jealous, either.
Even her hacker has no clue who Bill O'Reilly is. It's bizarre.
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Lives in Calgary and yet believes that, other than the west coast, Canada is covered in snow for 8 months of the year?
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You guys will enjoy this. The Fifth Estate caught her in the middle of spewing off some "facts."
Potatoe, imagine someone claiming "the USA is a dirty, overpopulated, uneducated, gun-toting, war-mongering dirthole. No one wants to live there. It's a fact!" Would you take them seriously? Why don't you come back with some legitimate support for your argument.
Similar ratio? The sheer numbers of people living in the United States make that impossible. If the entire city of Calgary up and moved to New York tomorrow, they wouldn't make a dent. There's thirty times more people living there than in Calgary.
You are acting like a fool. There aren't even "thirty times more people" in the STATE of New York let alone the city of New York. There are roughly 8.5 Million people living in New York City and the entire state clocks in at around 18 Million.
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If you want to engage in intelligent debate, I'm more than ready. Please don't throw out numbers from somewhere I've never heard of.
So, it is better to simply make up numbers and be dismissive of other's opinions simple because you think there is no other viable option than your point of view? Thanks, Chief.
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Leave useless stats out and make a counter point to the argument I've made - that the United States of America is a better country to live in than Canada primarily because of climate and opportunity for the average person.
If you are referring to the climate of the certain Southern States then I would agree that some people find it more favourable. I like climates that are similar to Calgary's. It makes for better hockey ice than about 60% of the United States.
As far as opportunity goes, please provide examples of the increased opportunity for the average resident of the United States.
I think I'm going to leave this thread alone now. I think Tucker was right, Canadians sure are touchy when it comes to people saying the US is a better country!
Yeah, you better duck out because people rose to the task of challenging your opinions. We wouldn't want anyone to put any dents in your invisible armour.
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That might be true, but it's undeniable that the average American wage is higher than the average Canadian wage.
Again, you state things without backing it up. It is completely deniable, and a quick internet search would reveal that Canadian wages on average are higher:
What bothers me about America is the amount of money they invest into to nuclear war fare and war and there are people, AMERICAN CITIZENS who do not have access to clean water or food. there are people who are living in a poverty like state. There are places in America where the police are afraid to go. That bothers me.
What bothers me about America is the amount of money they invest into to nuclear war fare and war and there are people, AMERICAN CITIZENS who do not have access to clean water or food. there are people who are living in a poverty like state. There are places in America where the police are afraid to go. That bothers me.
Only in American, huh?
Its not like the US has the patent on neighborhoods where the police won't go. Nor do they have the only country in the world where certain people have no access to clean water or food.
Again, you state things without backing it up. It is completely deniable, and a quick internet search would reveal that Canadian wages on average are higher:
Granted there is a larger gap between the rich and poor in the U.S. so you see a lot more wealth, but at the same time, there is more poverty.
No, no. You can use stats to prove anything, but that doesn't make you correct. If you want to argue with Potatoe you have to base your argument strictly on your opinions, back it up by saying everybody agrees with you, and offer zero facts to your "intelligent debate". You're doing this all wrong.
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No, no. You can use stats to prove anything, but that doesn't make you correct. If you want to argue with Potatoe you have to base your argument strictly on your opinions, back it up by saying everybody agrees with you, and offer zero facts to your "intelligent debate". You're doing this all wrong.
potatoe has also been trolling in the Other Sports forum.
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Its not like the US has the patent on neighborhoods where the police won't go. Nor do they have the only country in the world where certain people have no access to clean water or food.
no but they are apparently the richest country in the world.... they invest BILLIONS of dollars into nuclear development ( my hazy memory comes up with something around 40 billion last year) why then do they have people living in such conditions.. it bothers me, I am not anti-american my problem with them is only in their priorities
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Similar ratio? The sheer numbers of people living in the United States make that impossible. If the entire city of Calgary up and moved to New York tomorrow, they wouldn't make a dent. There's thirty times more people living there than in Calgary.
If you want to engage in intelligent debate, I'm more than ready. Please don't throw out numbers from somewhere I've never heard of. Leave useless stats out and make a counter point to the argument I've made - that the United States of America is a better country to live in than Canada primarily because of climate and opportunity for the average person.
ok rue...the us has better weather,they have a bigger economy...agreed upon...but let me tell you why i would never move to the states...imagine a country where biblethumpers and warmongerers actually dictate your government's policy...this is a country that pill popping hypocrite rush limbaugh actually has millions of listeners. this is a country the whole world hates...people actually like our country ...name me one country where the majority of a population doesnt actually despise the good ol usa..we dont have terrorists coming in and trying to blow up our towers...we dont go into war based on misinformation from our intelligence agency then continue to stay there and spend a half a trillion dollars on a war that we cant win. the funniest thing about the iraq war...the us funded saddam back in the early 80's because they didnt want iraq to be governed by hardcore e muslims so they supplied hussein with arms and money. and now they want a democracy there..well when over 70 percent of iraq's population is comprised of e muslims, im pretty sure the next governing body will be controlled by es, which is also the majority sect religion in Iran. the u.s. wouldnt actually be half bad if they never had their civil war and separated along the mason dixon line...but since the south loves their bibles and guns...you can almost guarantee that the republicans will have a chance to win every election down there.... so in the end...yeah i might freeze my ass off for 7 months a year...at least i wont be surrounded by myopic and ignorant americans such as tucker carlson,rush limbaugh, ann coulter or bill orielly clones...although id rather have them surround me then the ones who can buy m-16's and ak-47s and say its for our own protection..ill take our ethical and rational approach to the world and our lives over being in a country that claims to be fighting terrorism when they conduct terrorist wars......all empires come crashing down..and the good ol usa is the next in line...we wikll do just fine in the future..we have lots of fresh water,lots of natural resources(which everyone wants to buy) and we have a country that isnt hemmorhaging in debt...nothing beats a good american bashing rant..makes me feel like the superior canadian that i am..
nothing beats a good american bashing rant..makes me feel like the superior canadian that i am..
Wow.You sound like a lot of Americans I know that fit the stereotypes that get bandied around.
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