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Old 10-26-2007, 05:07 AM   #61
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From an economic point of view, there's what, $150billion of committed money just into oil sands development in the next 15 or so years. Does this $1.4 billion really amount to that much of an impact?

Maybe just spreading things out more and slowing things down (which is good, not bad)?

Things we're already slowing down, people just didn't see it because they are so caught up in this $90 oil hype......the patch is still dominated by gas production, and gas producers we're already in a world of trouble.

I hate Stelmach.
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Old 10-26-2007, 06:04 AM   #62
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Problem is there is no market price for bitumen.
Of course there is. I'm not sure if you mean upgraded bitumen that is generally purchased by refiners or just what is mined in Ft. Mac, but either way there is a market price for it.
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Old 10-26-2007, 06:07 AM   #63
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Things we're already slowing down, people just didn't see it because they are so caught up in this $90 oil hype......the patch is still dominated by gas production, and gas producers we're already in a world of trouble.

I hate Stelmach.
How did gas producers ever survive the 80's and 90's when prices were $2 or $3 / GJ? costs will come down to more sane levels, in general producers will be fine.

My concern is that investment will be curbed and there will be less activity that Ed has modeled.
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Old 10-26-2007, 07:53 AM   #64
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Petro Canada +0.15
Canadian Natural +1.74
Encana +0.58
Husky +0.55
Suncor -.12

It's been 20 minutes, but no mass sell of yet. Just checked a few of the larger producers.
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:41 AM   #65
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WTI is the NA standard. The market is transparent and the price isnt (readily) manipulated.

Bitumen has no such market. Add to that companies that set their own internal transfer prices and its not a good bench mark for any purpose.

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Of course there is. I'm not sure if you mean upgraded bitumen that is generally purchased by refiners or just what is mined in Ft. Mac, but either way there is a market price for it.
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Old 10-26-2007, 09:23 AM   #66
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Petro Canada +0.15
Canadian Natural +1.74
Encana +0.58
Husky +0.55
Suncor -.12

It's been 20 minutes, but no mass sell of yet. Just checked a few of the larger producers.
Way to go Stelmach!
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Old 10-26-2007, 10:25 AM   #67
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I was waiting for some expert analysis to weigh in on the new royalties scheme. I think the 20% number commonly tossed around is misleading given the tiered nature of the increases.
UBS analyst Grant Hofer said Friday that while “still imperfect” the new royalty rates are “significantly better” than the royalty panel's original recommendations. According to his estimates, corporate royalty rates will rise less than 5 per cent.

“Although fundamentally we believe that the royalty impact is modest, we would not be surprised to see stocks sell off slightly as the market digests the impact of these changes,” Mr. Hofer said. “We would view such weakness as a buying opportunity.”
I think that 5% is why you're seeing stock prices staying where they are. 5% doesn't seem like that much to me.



And the one of the 1st companies to level a Threat? Here's their take on how the new scheme will affect them.
Crescent Point Energy Trust, a small energy trust that had threatened not to spend any money in Alberta next year amid the uncertainty of potential higher royalties, said Friday an initial evaluation had led them to believe the royalty changes will have a “minimal” impact on its production and operations.
Scott Saxberg, Crescent Point chief executive officer, said the changes will affect its corporate royalty rates on existing production by approximately 1 per cent. “While the impact on existing production is minor, the trust will study the royalty announcement in more detail before committing future capital to the province.”
Sounds like a whole lot of handwringing on their behalf for nothing. Although since the vast majority of their production was already in Sask it was probably this way all along.

I hate to defend Stelmach, but if CAPP is pissed at the new royalty plan and so is the Pembina Institute, shouldn't this be considered a good compromise by Stelmach?

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Old 10-26-2007, 10:56 AM   #68
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Petro Canada +0.15
Canadian Natural +1.74
Encana +0.58
Husky +0.55
Suncor -.12

It's been 20 minutes, but no mass sell of yet. Just checked a few of the larger producers.
The service companies on the other had look like they're a little more in the red today. .

S&P/TSX Capped Energy Index -0.35%

IUNITS S&P/TSE CDN ENRGY (XEG:TSX) -.48%



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The TSX energy sector was down 0.4 per cent after Alberta premier Ed Stelmach said Thursday that the province intends to take about $1.4 billion a year more from the province's energy industry by the end of the decade, despite warnings that some companies would leave the province and invest where returns are better.

http://www.stockhouse.ca/news/cpnews.asp?newsid=9198278
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0.4%?

Oh no the sky is falling!
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