Bret Hart pens tell all book

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Buff

Every wrestling book I've read that has any mention of the Ultimate Warrior has never shed him in a good light. The guy really sounds like a loser.

He's pretty much insane. Look at his actions after his wrestling career ended.

Some of his more ummm interesting quotes

• "Look, the facts are that AIDS is mostly spread, and held, by people that are promiscuous, and in Africa, where there's incest and all that other stuff."
• "Queering doesn't make the world work!"
• "We live in a society where the bum is as legitimate as the business man, where homosexuals are the same as good straight people, where Kwanzaa is the same as Christmas."
• "I can't hear you, I can't hear you, you gotta take that object out of your mouth!"
• "I created Ultimate Warrior. I own Ultimate Warrior (as an Intellectual Property), and I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO EVER performed him, and I am not dead!"
• My (full, legal) name is Warrior. I am the man who Created, Performed and OWNs The Ultimate Warrior (as USPTO legally registered trademarks). I created him; I was the only one who ever legally and legitimately performed him; and I own the USPTO legally registered trademark rights of Ultimate Warrior as an Intellectual Property. These Intellectual Property rights include the name "Ultimate Warrior" and "Warrior" in Class 41 as a entertainer/entertainment persona in Sports Entertainment and as a motivational person, as well as several OTHER unique "Class registrations" for distinctive apparel and merchandise licensing. These Intellectual Property Rights also include all indicia related to said persona, including but not limited to the unique face design logo and other tradedress characteristics. It is against the law for anyone to use them without a license and that license must be acquired through me and my corporation, Ultimate Creations, Inc., which owns all these Intellectual Property rights. If there any questions I can answer, I can be reached at "mrwarrior@earthlink.net" My ebay User ID is "conservativemind." Verification of my identity can be found at my sellers page here on Ebay where I sell "LIMITED EDITION" One-of-a-Kind Memorabilia of which only I, as the creator, performer and owner of The Ultimate Warrior Intellectual Property I claim I am, would possess. Thank you.
• (to Jerry Lawler) "Warrior, forged by destiny, bonded by the belief, of belief that at the King of the Ring, I'm gonna kick your ass!"
• "Don't have an orgasm on me honey, save it for later!."
• "Get a towel!"
• "I just got back from a fishing trip down around New Orleans. Fishing is exceptionally good down there right now."
• "Of course, I do NOT accept this brainless, disgraceful invitation. NO, I do not. You can rescue yourself, Vince. Do your own damage control. I’ve no ear for your begging anymore. Only if you were on fire would I help you — it’d just be too hard to resist pissing on you. Open mic? Then let it truly be open. Let your audience have some fresh air. Flush the toliet bowl once. Let them hear something intelligent, decent and truthful for once. Give them, Vince, what they want — just like you are always bragging the WWE does. Let them be proud for just a few moments that the energetic, intense and colorful Ultimate Warrior persona they loved when they were little kids didn’t become a self-pitying, disappointing, broken-down has-been like all the other brittle-minded skeletons traipsing around your locker rooms or now buried in forgotten about graves."

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Buff

Every wrestling book I've read that has any mention of the Ultimate Warrior has never shed him in a good light. The guy really sounds like a loser.

For sure. I dont know if youve read this new Bret Hart book or not, but of Warrior in this one, Bret mentions how Warrior basically blows off a little kid backstage who was all dressed up and painted up in the Warrior get-up, who was only back there because he was gravely ill and it was his dying wish to meet him. I guess Warrior sat in the locker room with the other wrestlers, basically hiding from the kid(Bret thinks he was because he said it was the only time he'd ever hung out with the other wrestlers back there), and had someone tell the kid and his parents to move off to the side when Warrior had to walk past to make his ring entrance. Classy.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

For sure. I dont know if youve read this new Bret Hart book or not, but of Warrior in this one, Bret mentions how Warrior basically blows off a little kid backstage who was all dressed up and painted up in the Warrior get-up, who was only back there because he was gravely ill and it was his dying wish to meet him. I guess Warrior sat in the locker room with the other wrestlers, basically hiding from the kid(Bret thinks he was because he said it was the only time he'd ever hung out with the other wrestlers back there), and had someone tell the kid and his parents to move off to the side when Warrior had to walk past to make his ring entrance. Classy.

I lost any remaining grain of respect that I had for the assclown when I read that in Bret's book.

[ricoFlame]

Originally Posted by Buff

I lost any remaining grain of respect that I had for the assclown when I read that in Bret's book.

i think that guy legally changed his name to "warrior" as a means of maintaining control of the massive empire attached to the ultimate warrior name. strange.

[Clever_Iggy]

My girlfriend bought me the book and I was skeptical that it would just be another collection of unfounded accusations and excessive criticism of wrestling that I starting reading hesitantly.

After 500+ pages I flipped back to page 1 and started again - the first book I've done that with. The fact that Bret is so critical of himself and how throughout the years, you can tell how torn he is between hating wrestling and being loyal to it (especially Vince McMahon and Stampede Wrestling - Bruce/his father) makes this book interesting and genuine.

Readers who grew up in the era of Stampede Wrestling and/or Bret Hart's glory years in the WWF (the 90s) are fortunate to be able to add their own memories to the book.

I just finished my second read and it was great - definitely a must if you were a fan of the WWF or if you just want an interesting read.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

i think that guy legally changed his name to "warrior" as a means of maintaining control of the massive empire attached to the ultimate warrior name. strange.

No, I think the guy just couldn't differentiate between his character and his real self.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by browna

Is there any mention of "Karachi Vice" in the book?

LOL Mukka Singh and Gamma Singh and the boys were such good entertainment. Those who got to watch Stampede Wrestling were really very lucky. A great list of talent went through the Pavilion and coupled with Ed Whalen the show was just so good. You can catch matches on YouTube though of course the picture quality isn't good.

[Stuart]

What a great book. Sad the life that the wrestlers used to live though. I wonder what Randy Savage is up to these days and if he is alright. He along with Piper and Hart were always my favorites. Wrestling used to be great with all the characters they had. Jake Roberts, Hogan, Savage, Piper, Adonis, Hart, Steamboat etc. Now everybody is just the same and boring.

The list of guys who have died or are in bad shape is really shocking though. Vince really needs to give these guys some time off. Being on the road that much is crazy.

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

i think that guy legally changed his name to "warrior" as a means of maintaining control of the massive empire attached to the ultimate warrior name. strange.

He used to sell crap on eBay. There was a spot to ask questions about his items and some of the questions (and Warrior's insane answers) were good for a laugh.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

LOL Mukka Singh and Gamma Singh and the boys were such good entertainment. Those who got to watch Stampede Wrestling were really very lucky. A great list of talent went through the Pavilion and coupled with Ed Whalen the show was just so good. You can catch matches on YouTube though of course the picture quality isn't good.

My brother has the yellow t shirt. ahha. Don't forget that short little Abdul Weasel. He used to piss Ed off all the time and Ed always wanted to hit him on the head with his mic.

They weren't mentioned much in the book, because by then Bret was already gone from Stampede wrestling. Owen was the one who had the great battles with the toilet bowl makkhan singh.

The thing about the book that really stood out was that amount of abuse the heels got. People would throw coins and punches and spit on them, but i guess they loved it.

How as a civilized human being can you spit on someone? No matter how evil they are in the ring? crazy.

It also shed alot of light on the financial difficulties that Stu went through losing a fortune on the wrestling business. I thought because it was on tv that they were making a tonne of money.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by Kobatuzzied

The thing about the book that really stood out was that amount of abuse the heels got. People would throw coins and punches and spit on them, but i guess they loved it.

How as a civilized human being can you spit on someone? No matter how evil they are in the ring? crazy.

It also shed alot of light on the financial difficulties that Stu went through losing a fortune on the wrestling business. I thought because it was on tv that they were making a tonne of money.

Ya I was shocked when I read the abuse the heels received from the fans. I couldnt believe it when I read that even the Stampede Pavilion crowd stormed the ring to back up Bret, which terrified the heels. I guess the biz has changed a LOT since then, as I cant even imagine as a fully-grown adult believing it's real(which these people obviously did at the time), and getting that worked up over it.

Also, I agree about what you said at the end, on being shocked how actually cash-strapped Stu and alot of the wrestlers were. As for Bret, even though $1.8 million/yr in his hayday is a nice chunk of change, back then I always thought he was making at least $5 million/yr, as well as most of the other big names in the biz. I was surprised when I read this book how basically all of em except for whoever was holding the belt was making under a mil. I always figured they were making money equal to sports stars in the NFL/MLB/NBA/NHL at the time.

It also shocked me to read that in the mid-90's, right before the WWF enjoyed its 2nd stint as a pop culture icon, that Vince McMahon was ready to lay off a ton of wrestlers and return the WWF to being only a northeastern U.S. promotion. As a kid watching the WWF religiously back then, I always figured Vince and the WWF were just drowning in $$$.

Just finished reading the Montreal Screw-Job chapter, only got about 90 pages left in 'er. Great book. I'm shocked at what an ass Shawn Michaels is(and how sensitive he was too. I can't believe he was bawling in the locker room after the screw job), though Id like to hear his side of the story. Although this book has led me to respect Bret the way I used to as a kid, I still laugh at alot of his comments throughout the book. You can tell he really thinks he was arguably the greatest wrestler ever, and head and shoulders above everyone else in the WWF when he was still around. He may be right, but its still funny to read, he's definitely got a healthy ego on him.

[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Ya I was shocked when I read the abuse the heels received from the fans. I couldnt believe it when I read that even the Stampede Pavilion crowd stormed the ring to back up Bret, which terrified the heels. I guess the biz has changed a LOT since then, as I cant even imagine as a fully-grown adult believing it's real(which these people obviously did at the time), and getting that worked up over it.

Also, I agree about what you said at the end, on being shocked how actually cash-strapped Stu and alot of the wrestlers were. As for Bret, even though $1.8 million/yr in his hayday is a nice chunk of change, back then I always thought he was making at least $5 million/yr, as well as most of the other big names in the biz. I was surprised when I read this book how basically all of em except for whoever was holding the belt was making under a mil. I always figured they were making money equal to sports stars in the NFL/MLB/NBA/NHL at the time.

It also shocked me to read that in the mid-90's, right before the WWF enjoyed its 2nd stint as a pop culture icon, that Vince McMahon was ready to lay off a ton of wrestlers and return the WWF to being only a northeastern U.S. promotion. As a kid watching the WWF religiously back then, I always figured Vince and the WWF were just drowning in $$$.

Just finished reading the Montreal Screw-Job chapter, only got about 90 pages left in 'er. Great book. I'm shocked at what an ass Shawn Michaels is(and how sensitive he was too. I can't believe he was bawling in the locker room after the screw job), though Id like to hear his side of the story. Although this book has led me to respect Bret the way I used to as a kid, I still laugh at alot of his comments throughout the book. You can tell he really thinks he was arguably the greatest wrestler ever, and head and shoulders above everyone else in the WWF when he was still around. He may be right, but its still funny to read, he's definitely got a healthy ego on him.

For more info on the Montreal Screwjob check youtube. There's some clips from the Wrestling with Shadows documentary as well as that has some behind the scenes footage.

All I have to say is that Shawn Michaels swore to god he wasn't involved in it (for a supposedly born again Christian that should be a deal) yet has since admitted to being in on it. Earl Hebner also swore on his kids life that he would never screw Bret over and yet he did as well. Absolutely disgusting to say stuff like that to someone and then go back on your word.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

For more info on the Montreal Screwjob check youtube. There's some clips from the Wrestling with Shadows documentary as well as that has some behind the scenes footage.

All I have to say is that Shawn Michaels swore to god he wasn't involved in it (for a supposedly born again Christian that should be a deal) yet has since admitted to being in on it. Earl Hebner also swore on his kids life that he would never screw Bret over and yet he did as well. Absolutely disgusting to say stuff like that to someone and then go back on your word.

I can't remember when Shawn Michaels 'swore to God' that he wasn't involved. Wasn't that before he found Jesus? At any rate, that incident is just one of the more popular examples that show how much a person cannot trust another person in the pro-wrestling world.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Buff

I can't remember when Shawn Michaels 'swore to God' that he wasn't involved. Wasn't that before he found Jesus? At any rate, that incident is just one of the more popular examples that show how much a person cannot trust another person in the pro-wrestling world.

Right after the incident back in the dressing room when Brett asked him if he was in on it. Its part of that documentary. Moments before Brett punches Vince in the eye.

[ricoFlame]

it worked out well for bret that all of the crap in montreal was captures on film for that documentary.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

it worked out well for bret that all of the crap in montreal was captures on film for that documentary.

Macmahon was right about one thing tho.

When Bret was told to renegotiate his contract with WCW, Vince said to him, the WCW won't know what to do with you.

Its sad because after the Montreal Scewjob, Bret was the hottest guy in wrestling, there were so many story lines and dream matches that they could have run through ppv (Bret vs Hogan was a natural, Bret vs Sting, Bret vs Flair in a rematch) he had been screwed by the WWE, but honestly the politics and bad story lines did more to destroy him then anything else.

By screwing over Bret, Vince could have singled the death of the WCW if only Bischoff had grabbed a hold of that golden ring and yanked.



Sad way to end a career.

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Macmahon was right about one thing tho.

When Bret was told to renegotiate his contract with WCW, Vince said to him, the WCW won't know what to do with you.

Its sad because after the Montreal Scewjob, Bret was the hottest guy in wrestling, there were so many story lines and dream matches that they could have run through ppv (Bret vs Hogan was a natural, Bret vs Sting, Bret vs Flair in a rematch) he had been screwed by the WWE, but honestly the politics and bad story lines did more to destroy him then anything else.

By screwing over Bret, Vince could have singled the death of the WCW if only Bischoff had grabbed a hold of that golden ring and yanked.

Very true. You can tell McMahon just has the imagination and marketing skills that the WCW didn't. You're right, Bret Hart couldve been huge after that. And WCW completely missed. And on the flip side, McMahon's reputation couldve been destroyed. But instead, he smartly capitalized on it and played up the ruthless owner persona, making it a larger-than-life character that really propelled the WWF to the forefront(remember his insanely popular on-going feud with Steve Austin?).

In an incident which shouldve led to the WCW pulling away from the WWF once and for all, instead through Bischoff's and Russo's bumbling, combined with McMahon's savvy, resulted in the WWF exploding past WCW and into pop icon status even larger than the mid-80's IMO.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Very true. You can tell McMahon just has the imagination and marketing skills that the WCW didn't. You're right, Bret Hart couldve been huge after that. And WCW completely missed. And on the flip side, McMahon's reputation couldve been destroyed. But instead, he smartly capitalized on it and played up the ruthless owner persona, making it a larger-than-life character that really propelled the WWF to the forefront(remember his insanely popular on-going feud with Steve Austin?).

In an incident which shouldve led to the WCW pulling away from the WWF once and for all, instead through Bischoff's and Brisco's bumbling, combined with McMahon's savvy, resulted in the WWF exploding past WCW and into pop icon status even larger than the mid-80's IMO.

WCW got huge off of one of Bischoff's ideas. An idea he stole from a wrestling promotion in Japan. The nWo.

Sure they made Goldberg a big star but from Bret's descriptions (and even from Jericho's tales) Goldberg had no business being in the ring, maybe even the business, when he was. He was rushed to the top when he was too green to wrestling without endangering the well being of his fellow wrestlers, and he supposedly didn't quite understand how things worked backstage either.

[CaptainCrunch]

Bret Hart induction week at wrestlecrap

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/newinductions.html

A rewriting the book column, what happened if the Montreal Screwjob didn't happen

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/rwtbmontreal.html

The incredible Dave Meltzer story on the montreal screwjob and how it came to be

http://www.brethart.info/info/facts.php

Wrestlecrap reviews the book

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/ramblings.html

Enjoy