Bulldozing Shaw Nee Slopes golf course in Calgary?

[4X4]

^ A bit drastic, but I like it.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Slava

The problem with the lights is that (a) the ratio of users in the morning is roughly 5:10,000 (by my purely anecdotal and irritated calculation) and (b) they hold up those thousands of vehicles from getting North to the first legitimate E-W thoroughfare in the south. In other words, those lights at Southcentre are far enough north that a lot of volume has either headed east or west by that point, so its a greatly reduced issue.

I guess that's where I'm confused. I live on Lake Fraser and travel through these lights. Turn left to head south (the only reason you'd be at the light), you wait forever to turn as the light going north stays green for a long time. Sure the ratio of N-S and E-W cars is low, but the light pattern makes up for it. Returning home, it's the same situation with the N-S direction staying green for a long time. The cars waiting to get into Lake Fraser sit there a lot longer than the N-S cars do at a red. I do admit though that it causes considerable backup on the Anderson ramp to south Macleod which never recovers.

I just can't think of a better way to have traffic leave Lake Fraser other than having elevated ramps. If the belief that the intersection should have never been built, then development on lake fraser shouldn't have been allowed.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Close the light at Lake Fraser and turn it into exit at Lake Fraser going northbound/an entrance to Macleod north, and force everyone going south to go to Canyon Meadows. If they're going south they need to go there anyways, might take a bit longer but so be it. You can also go northbound Macleod at the entrance near the Tim Hortons on Lake Fraser. But yeah come winter it becomes a disaster because of that light.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Close the light at Lake Fraser and turn it into exit at Lake Fraser going northbound/an entrance to Macleod north, and force everyone going south to go to Canyon Meadows. If they're going south they need to go there anyways, might take a bit longer but so be it. You can also go northbound Macleod at the entrance near the Tim Hortons on Lake Fraser. But yeah come winter it becomes a disaster because of that light.

That's exactly what should be done. I've approached DCU about that, or at the very least close the intersection to LH turns during rush hour. In case there is a remaining person who lives in the ward that I haven't told though, she didn't have time to meet with me....on more than one request.

[Kavvy]

Well there is an update

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Co...523/story.html

the community association will get three months to finally sit down with the developer and city planners in hopes of crafting a more tolerable project.

Council delayed final approval of the 1,400-home plan, ordering city officials to bring together the two sides whose encounters have mostly resulted in bitterness and acrimony.

The goal is to reach a compromise.

“I’m not convinced that will be the case, that much more can be gained,” said Geo-Energy Enterprises spokesman Ray Clark after council’s decision late Tuesday night.

The Shawnee-Evergreen Community Association president, whose group pressed for discussion about recreation space, traffic and groundwater concerns after long bouts of distrusting the developer, was more upbeat.

“The outcome is very good, now that we’ve gotten certain things we’ve asked for,” she said.

[Mazrim]

All they've gotten is more time...unless the community association thinks this means there is guaranteed changes to be made?

[Bigtime]

DCU is getting nasty on twitter, calling out one of the developer reps (former Alderman Ray Clark):

Originally Posted by Big Red YYC

Ray Clark should be fired by Geo Energy for his caustic insensitive shots at the Shawnee community. No way he can be at the table to partner

I was getting the cole's notes on twitter during the hearing the last couple of days, from tweets at the time it sounded like he gave a pretty frank account of how the community association was to deal with from the start.

Stuff like this probably won't help when the two sides sit down and meet again.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by fotze

Just poking through the website of the developer of this project. Looks like former Alderman Ray Clark is a principle with the company.

Their website: http://www.shawneepark.ca/developer says Ray Clark is a principal of Ray Clark Consulting, not Geo-Energy, which is the developer.

[Regulator75]

How can DCU keep getting re-elected? Do we need to wait until all the old people die in her district?

[Rudee]

I live a few blocks away from this area, and I'm certainly not looking forward to having an additional 1400 homes in the area. The area is already congested as it is. 1400 new homes in this area is 1400 too many. It will affect everybody in the general area. (Milrise, Shawnessy, Somerset, Evergreen, Bridlewood)

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Kavy

Well there is an update

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Co...523/story.html

It should be clarified that Council approved the proposal, but only gave the bylaw a first reading. They didn't refer the proposal back to administration, or anything else.

Mostly, 3 more months for the community to come to terms that development is going to happen, and try and get a few more slight tweaks done if they want. The developer probably has to show council that they have taken the concerns of the community seriously, and talked to them in good faith, and they will get the second and third readings required to approve the proposal.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Rudee

I live a few blocks away from this area, and I'm certainly not looking forward to having an additional 1400 homes in the area. The area is already congested as it is. 1400 new homes in this area is 1400 too many. It will affect everybody in the general area. (Milrise, Shawnessy, Somerset, Evergreen, Bridlewood)

The intersection of Fish Creek BLVD & James McKevitt is accident central. James McKevitt is busy as it is. This road will only get busier

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Well aren't all those things that YNAT said what most people trot out as some of the advantages to living and raising a family in the burbs?

I can't let the kids play in the sand trap (although that would be awesome). However if instead of the course there was some green space and pathways I can definitely see how it would be a plus versus a golf course.

Sure, you can have an extra greenspace and park, with the added bonus of literally thousands of people being added to your neibourhood.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

How can DCU keep getting re-elected? Do we need to wait until all the old people die in her district?

I think you probably need to wait until DCU dies. Although she could possibly be a vampire...

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think you probably need to wait until DCU dies. Although she could possibly be a vampire...

I've disliked her ever since she was elected. Too bad she didn't go provincial lol

[Rerun]

Ok.. since I don't live in Calgary I don't have a clue who DCU is ?
Actually I don't have a clue who my Okotoks alderman is... (not even if they are called that in Okotoks)... or even if I have one..

Edit: Forget it.. I read the above link and found out who DCU is.

[polak]

The more I think about this, the more I believe the only way this works traffic-wise is if you cross 14th over Fish Creek.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by polak

The more I think about this, the more I believe the only way this works traffic-wise is if you cross 14th over Fish Creek.

Or perhaps a road that rings around the city, and happens to run right beside Evergreen?


Problem is by the time that leg gets built, they'll have hover cars and all these points will be moot.

[mrkajz44]

Realistically, the only issue with this project is the potential traffic issues. However, for me it's more of a drop in the bucket kind of feeling considering how bad traffic already is on McLeod trail to get over Fish Creek Park.

Quite honestly, what is the difference between 1,400 homes in Shawnee versus 1,400 in Chaparral or Silverado? It's still the same amount of cars trying to get over Fish Creek park in the only way possible, McLeod Trail. Actually, there are likely more cars if the homes were built in Chaparral or Silverado as they are all single family homes; at least the Shawnee development will have townhomes and condos which many people will buy to use the train exclusively.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by polak

The more I think about this, the more I believe the only way this works traffic-wise is if you cross 14th over Fish Creek.

Its almost like I've read that somewhere before!