Pats are a bunch of cheaters...

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by habernac

everybody tries to steal signals from the opposition. The Pats just got caught. Belichick got sloppy. And he's paid the price for it.

Belichick isn't sloppy, he's an arrogant ahole. And if it wasn't a superior way to steal signals he wouldn't be doing it.

NFL Dynasty:
70's Steelers
80's 49ers
90's Cowboys
00's Patriots*

Done through various ways of cheating.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by habernac

everybody tries to steal signals from the opposition. The Pats just got caught. Belichick got sloppy. And he's paid the price for it.

Belichick isn't sloppy, he's an arrogant ahole. And if it wasn't a superior way to steal signals he wouldn't be doing it.

NFL Dynasty:
70's Steelers
80's 49ers
90's Cowboys
00's Patriots*

*Done through various ways of cheating.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Belichick isn't sloppy, he's an arrogant ahole. And if it wasn't a superior way to steal signals he wouldn't be doing it.

NFL Dynasty:
70's Steelers
80's 49ers
90's Cowboys
00's Patriots*

*Done through various ways of cheating.

So what happens if they win the Super Bowl this year?

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Belichick isn't sloppy, he's an arrogant ahole. And if it wasn't a superior way to steal signals he wouldn't be doing it.

NFL Dynasty:
70's Steelers
80's 49ers
90's Cowboys
00's Patriots*

*Done through various ways of cheating.

A week after "spy-gate" the Patriots come out to a 24-0 lead and halftime against the Chargers. HAhahaha.

This just shows how little that video taping meant.

06 Saints season*

[Bobblehead]

I don't love or hate the Patriots.

But I have really respected the way they were able to bring in players and seem to win with almost anyone due to a team concept.

They have lost some of that respect. They are still a great team, with or without the cheating. But that is kind of what makes it so bad. They didn't need to do this to thrive.

I'm not one of those who believe "If you're not cheating, you're not trying" people. I believe that this sort of philosophy violates the spirit of the game.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

A week after "spy-gate" the Patriots come out to a 24-0 lead and halftime against the Chargers. HAhahaha.

This just shows how little that video taping meant.

06 Saints season*

If it means nothing then why do it?

Besides how do you know they didn't spend the weak going over their Norv Turner tape? Or reformulating Harrisons HGH drugs so he doesn't get caught this time.

I'm blown away that people feel a need to defend an outright cheater. Good, coach, awful human.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

If it means nothing then why do it?

Besides how do you know they didn't spend the weak going over their Norv Turner tape? Or reformulating Harrisons HGH drugs so he doesn't get caught this time.

I'm blown away that people feel a need to defend an outright cheater. Good, coach, awful human.

Im not defending what Belichick did (the taping)... it is cheating. But all this talk about a huge advantage, forfeiting the game, and that their other Superbowls have an asterisk is just fooish. The Pats are just that dominant, that well coached and that much better than the Jets and the Chargers...

And I hate the Pats... stupid Snow Bowl beating the Raiders on the "tuck rule"... so Im not speaking from a bias.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Im not defending what Belichick did (the taping)... it is cheating. But all this talk about a huge advantage, forfeiting the game, and that their other Superbowls have an asterisk is just fooish. The Pats are just that dominant, that well coached and that much better than the Jets and the Chargers...

And I hate the Pats... stupid Snow Bowl beating the Raiders on the "tuck rule"... so Im not speaking from a bias.

###!

They just proved it again tonight by beating a good San Deigo team 38-14. They made LT disappear the whole game and just dominated start to finish.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Im not defending what Belichick did (the taping)... it is cheating. But all this talk about a huge advantage, forfeiting the game, and that their other Superbowls have an asterisk is just fooish. The Pats are just that dominant, that well coached and that much better than the Jets and the Chargers...

And I hate the Pats... stupid Snow Bowl beating the Raiders on the "tuck rule"... so Im not speaking from a bias.

oooh, well a Raiders fan. Ok, now it makes sense.

I guess we'll never know how much of an advantage this blatant cheating has had.

[mykalberta]

This isnt cheating or stealing. How can you steal something that is in plain view of everyone.

This was so BS, and if it wasnt for the complete and utter joke that the Jets Franchise is in who is trying to deflect blame for their hapless organiztion by releasing anything and everything to the media in NY - its sad really.

To be honest thought after all the Pacman, Vick stuff I am surprised the fine wasnt more severe. Take away a draft pick was just absurd. The fine should have been 20mil to the Patriots organization and thats it.

I am a converted Patriots fan from now on - I just ordered a Brady Jersey

MYK

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

This isnt cheating or stealing. How can you steal something that is in plain view of everyone.

What are you talking about?

Whether it is in plain view or not is irrelevant.

[burn_baby_burn]

I find it interesting how the NFL seems to be trying to sweep this under the rug. On Sirius NFL Radio, the hosts of the various shows go so far as to play stupid when asked questions about the incident. For instance, a caller to The Afternoon Blitz asked if the NFL had siezed any other video tapes from the Patriots that they may have recorded in the past? The host Adam Shine's answer was that he didn't follow what the caller was asking. Every caller wants to talk about "Video Tape Gate". But the various hosts of the various shows through out the day keep saying that it is in the past and that it is behind us. (Shannon Sharpe did say on The Opening Drive that he felt that the punishment was not severe enough because the whole organization was cheating and that penaltys for individual acts have been delt with more harshly by the new commissioner)

On the flip side. The incident was a heavy topic of conversation on the pregame shows on TV yesterday morning (the shows not owned and operated by the NFL its self). Online polls (an ESPN poll in particular showed 62% feel that the punishment was not severe enough) indicate that the majoirty of fans think the punishment does not fit the crime.

So while the Patriots and the NFL say that the incident is over and done with. The over whelming majority of fans and media obviously feel other wise. Now I can understand why Patriots fans would have their backs up against the wall. Their teams accomplishments, that they must be extremely proud of, are coming into question. But they can argue that the cheating didn't help the Patriots win three Super Bowls all they want. That suspicion will probably be there for decades.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

This isnt cheating or stealing. How can you steal something that is in plain view of everyone.

This was so BS, and if it wasnt for the complete and utter joke that the Jets Franchise is in who is trying to deflect blame for their hapless organiztion by releasing anything and everything to the media in NY - its sad really.

To be honest thought after all the Pacman, Vick stuff I am surprised the fine wasnt more severe. Take away a draft pick was just absurd. The fine should have been 20mil to the Patriots organization and thats it.

I am a converted Patriots fan from now on - I just ordered a Brady Jersey

MYK

I don't understand how the Jets franchise is a joke please enlighten me. They have definitely made more playoffs in the last ten years than half the league including last year. They have the best young coach in the game. They are a young team that will only get better. And by the way they aren't the ones who released it to the media, so i guess that blows a hole in your stupid theory...

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Belichick isn't sloppy, he's an arrogant ahole. And if it wasn't a superior way to steal signals he wouldn't be doing it.

NFL Dynasty:
70's Steelers
80's 49ers
90's Cowboys
00's Patriots*

*Done through various ways of cheating.

You could put an * beside every Superbowl winner, because every single team was full of players on steroids, and coaches that steal signals.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by troutman

You could put an * beside every Superbowl winner, because every single team was full of players on steroids, and coaches that steal signals.

Agree, If you're not cheating you're not trying.

BTW, wasn't the greatest home run in the history of baseball (shot heard around the world) hit because of a stolen sign?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by troutman

You could put an * beside every Superbowl winner, because every single team was full of players on steroids, and coaches that steal signals.

To clarify some fans assume every team has players on steroids and assume other teams have stolen signs. The big difference is there is no assumptions with NE they have been caught and fined. Not to mention they are being investigated for other items.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3024271

"Patriots coach Bill Belichick will comply with the NFL's latest request in its spying investigation and provide any notes or tapes made from video recordings similar to those that drew a stiff penalty against him and the team.
"Of course," he said, when asked about the request for materials."

[Bobblehead]

Anyone see the NBC interview last night?

I only caught part of it, where Goodell said that if they uncover anything else, or discover they have been mislead, then he has maintained the right to review the penalties.

If that happens there will be a suspension.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Anyone see the NBC interview last night?

I only caught part of it, where Goodell said that if they uncover anything else, or discover they have been mislead, then he has maintained the right to review the penalties.

If that happens there will be a suspension.

I watched the game, I guess the Chargers Coach believed that NE had the Play book. The play book was changed and it was provided to the team the morning of the game and it was done verbally (i.e. nothing was written done).

[Bobblehead]

I heard that, too. And at that moment I figured the Chargers were in trouble because they had changed their entire routine.

The worry of Bill stealing their plays psyched them out before the game even began.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by flambers

I watched the game, I guess the Chargers Coach believed that NE had the Play book. The play book was changed and it was provided to the team the morning of the game and it was done verbally (i.e. nothing was written done).

If that's the case, then Turner should have told his players about a few plays that might have worked.