Eminem: Encore

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Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Nov 14 2004, 03:39 PM
If an entire generation of kids are looking up to and emulating a foulmouthed, arrogant rap star then, umm, we might want to ask ourselves why that is.

Blaming it on Eminem is like curing the drug problem by shooting a Colombian farmer.

precisely my friend...Many adults<sic> these days should not be raising children.

I know you work with kids so you do have experience, however until you reach the stage where peer pressure on your kids affect their every day existence, from fashion to music, to video games, it is very unwise to suggest what parents should or should not do.
As a parent today what would you do to stop a demanding child from listening to Eminem? Do you think its possible...or would you try reasoning it out? Im very interested in this!
BTW Im not in a position where I have to worry, but many of my adult peers are and have a VERY difficult time with it.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by GerryCheevers+Nov 14 2004, 03:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GerryCheevers @ Nov 14 2004, 03:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RougeUnderoos@Nov 14 2004, 03:39 PM
If an entire generation of kids are looking up to and emulating a foulmouthed, arrogant rap star then, umm, we might want to ask ourselves why that is.

Blaming it on Eminem is like curing the drug problem by shooting a Colombian farmer.

precisely my friend...Many adults<sic> these days should not be raising children.

I know you work with kids so you do have experience, however until you reach the stage where peer pressure on your kids affect their every day existence, from fashion to music, to video games, it is very unwise to suggest what parents should or should not do.
As a parent today what would you do to stop a demanding child from listening to Eminem? Do you think its possible...or would you try reasoning it out? Im very interested in this!
BTW Im not in a position where I have to worry, but many of my adult peers are and have a VERY difficult time with it. [/b][/quote]
I think you can try reasoning it out. At least talk to kids about it. Forbidding it is just going to make it worse.

Seems to me that every generation gets this kind of thing. Elvis was bad news, then the filthy hippies, dastardly punk rockers, Satan controlling minds through backwards heavy metal and Judas Priest getting hauled into court. It happens all the time. Not so long ago it was Marilyn Manson and people were freaking out about him, now you look back and think "people were worried about that guy"?

Eminem will pass. They all do. Making a great big deal about it/him will probably drag it out longer. Kids are fickle -- in a few years a lot of them won't admit that they ever listened to him. When I was 10 years old Michael Jackson was the biggest thing going and he turned into a normal human being and so did I.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally posted by RougeUnderoos@Nov 14 2004, 04:10 PM
I think you can try reasoning it out. At least talk to kids about it. Forbidding it is just going to make it worse.

Seems to me that every generation gets this kind of thing. Elvis was bad news, then the filthy hippies, dastardly punk rockers, Satan controlling minds through backwards heavy metal and Judas Priest getting hauled into court. It happens all the time. Not so long ago it was Marilyn Manson and people were freaking out about him, now you look back and think "people were worried about that guy"?

Eminem will pass. They all do. Making a great big deal about it/him will probably drag it out longer. Kids are fickle -- in a few years a lot of them won't admit that they ever listened to him. When I was 10 years old Michael Jackson was the biggest thing going and he turned into a normal human being and so did I.

MJ is a "normal" human being?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

wow,

I'm not a fan of Emimem, I don't like him, but I don't dislike him. I'm not gonna buy any of his records any time soon, but I do like some of his songs.

Going down the list of the few Eminem songs I have:

Lose Yourself - I think it's a great song, getting a goal, going for it, and lose yourself in the moment don't overthink. I think my personal life would be a hell of alot better right now if this song came out a few years earlier when I was in grade 10 or 11. Not giving up, and going after your dreams. I tell you I thought it was great to hear my then 9 or 10 yr old cousin singing this song, then a few years eariler when his sister was 4 and singing "Stop" by the Spice Girls. Why they were acceptable for little kids is beyond me.

Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted-One moment
Would you capture it or just let it slip?

You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo

My Name Is - umm what? I think this song is catchy, but if you listen to the very first verse it's incredably sarcastic, making fun of the argument "if you listen to this you're the devil". Mind you one must be able to understand and realize this is sarcasim.

Hi kids! Do you like violence? (Yeah yeah yeah!)
Wanna see me stick Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids? (Uh-huh!)
Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah yeah!)
Try 'cid and get ######ed up worse that my life is? (Huh?)
My brain's dead weight, I'm tryin to get my head straight
but I can't figure out which Spice Girl I want to impregnate (Ummmm..)
And Dr. Dre said, "Slim Shady you a basehead!"
Uh-uhhh! "So why's your face red? Man you wasted!"
Well since age twelve, I've felt like I'm someone else
Cause I hung my original self from the top bunk with a belt
Got p*ssed off and ripped Pamela Lee's tits off
And smacked her so hard I knocked her clothes backwards like Kris Kross
I smoke a fat pound of grass and fall on my ass
faster than a fat bitch who sat down too fast
C'mere slut! (Shady, wait a minute, that's my girl dog!)
I don't give a ######, God sent me to p*ss the world off!

nothing there is supposed to be taken seriously, it's like when you said "OH THAT'S JUST GREAT!" When Fraser gave us that last penalty in game 7.

My English teacher wanted to have sex with me in Junior High
Thanks alot, next semester I'll be 35
I smacked him in his face with an eraser, chased him with a stapler
and stapled his nuts to a stack of papers (Owwwwwwww!)
Walked in the strip club, had my jacket zipped up
Flashed the bartender, then stuck my dick in the tip cup

How many junior high kids actually went into strip clubs, and flashed the barkeep? I'd like to see the stats on that.

The Real Slim Shady - basically questioning why he's being censord, or singled out for obsenities when all this other stuff is going on. Then the second verse about other artists that are just as bad, or worse. Christina, Britney, Fred Durst, what do they sing about, what do they bring that Eminem doesn't?

Sing For The Moment - bascially how music is a way to cope with hardship, broken home, breakup, death, people turn to music for comfort. Do they turn to Eminem? Sometimes, but the point of the song is that music is a way to cope/escape. In the second verse it's about how you shouldn't idealize musicians, and musicians shouldn't buy into the hype, remember your roots. Also how lyrics aren't litteral, which I'd argue why music is a great coping measure. It's also sampled from one of my favourite Aerosmith songs.

Sing for the Moment is the best argument I've heard for letting people like Eminem rap. If you haven't heard it, listen to it, great tune.

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That said, Superman, I'm not a fan of, nor My Band (that song drives me insane). I don't listen to Eminem's albums. I like most of the stuff he released but I'm not a huge fan of the type of music so I don't go out of my way to listen or buy his records etc.

I like that he made it big, and the singles are about what I've stated. I'm not saying he's an angel, but I am saying that if the singles are about good things, the albums about more "evil" things (I dunno, I'll be honest) but he says he plays a character. That's fine.

There is a clear seperation (even if people don't always make it) between performer, and person. I look at when I public speak, I can be funny, grab the attention of the crowd, and passionately argue for something, one on one I've a really shy individual who doesn't like confrontation. Two COMPELTELY different personalities. Like a previous poster said about the Govenour of California, on a movie set murdered a bunch of police officers, then said "I'll Be Back" which politicans use today.

Why do we as a society make the seperation of actor - person, but not musician - person?

One last note, when it comes to music, I don't think you have to argue why you like/dislike something. It's so personal, and subjective it's hard to aruge. Why don't like listen to the non-released Eminem sutff? I dunno? I just don't, I don't really like rap. Why don't I like rap? I dunno, I just don't?

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by kipperfan+Nov 13 2004, 06:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kipperfan @ Nov 13 2004, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ro@Nov 13 2004, 05:25 AM
I find it amusing that it has become so cool to hate on Eminem.

Garbage?# Going wrong buying this LP?# Total crap?# I will disagree.

I love it.# His first two albums were decent, but The Marshall Mather LP was a masterpiece, and this one is right there.# Great subject matter, beats are solid, packed with 20+ songs.

Sure, the single is corny and gimmicky, but what do you want from this guy?# His skills as an emcee are undeniable, and again, the topics he covers in a single song are deeper and more thought provoking than the entire catalogue of other lesser emcees.

And his flow is just straight bananas.# He is challenging Biggie, Rakim, Jigga, and a few others for the title of best flow/delivery.# His rhyme structure is incredible.

But yeah, why is it so "in" right now to hate on Em?# And if you're not hating, what did you want from this LP?

If it's not "your kind of music," fine, but I don't buy the "it's not my kind of 'hip hop'" argument.# If you don't like Eminem, and you claim you like hip hop music, you're a moron.# Or a backpacker wannabe.# Or an internet nerd.

Props for that post.

All these fools come in and run eminem, with no basis or reasoning, just "eminem sucks", "hes horrible" yet as soon as a rational well thought out post articulates exatcly why eminem doesnt suck..............the "fools" amazingly shut up.

Nice job Ro. [/b][/quote]
Hmmm, interesting that I stated that I really like his music yet hated this album. Why, its as if I have an independent mind, capable of rational free thought. I think the album sucks. Just my opinion, therefor I must be a "fool" as you so adequately labelled me. Thank you for that.

[Ro]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank@Nov 15 2004, 07:21 AM
Hmmm, interesting that I stated that I really like his music yet hated this album. Why, its as if I have an independent mind, capable of rational free thought. I think the album sucks. Just my opinion, therefor I must be a "fool" as you so adequately labelled me. Thank you for that.

I missed that (you really like his music, but not this album). Didn't mean to label you.

Why do you not like this album?

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Ro+Nov 15 2004, 06:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ro @ Nov 15 2004, 06:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Frank the Tank@Nov 15 2004, 07:21 AM
Hmmm, interesting that I stated that I really like his music yet hated this album. Why, its as if I have an independent mind, capable of rational free thought. I think the album sucks. Just my opinion, therefor I must be a "fool" as you so adequately labelled me. Thank you for that.

I missed that (you really like his music, but not this album). Didn't mean to label you.

Why do you not like this album? [/b][/quote]
I don't think I could really pin it on anything in particular. I guess my initial impression was that it just doesn't "sound" like his music. I know that doesn't make sense, but I really need to listen to it a few more times maybe. No worries on the labelling thing either, I re-read my post and i sounded a little more harsh than I intended.

[kdogg]

I'm a huge Eminem fan, but the album is not his best. His last few had "big hits" on it, but on this on, there does not appear to be any outstanding tracks (excluding Encore).

Eminem Show had "Without Me", "Till I collapse", "Business", etc,

This album has a bunch of above average tracks with phat Dre beats. "A$$ like that" is a pretty funny though.

Still a good buy IMO.
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