Parking lots, and getting your vehicle dinged

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by MaDMaN_26

Something else I'm wondering is why no one is coughing up to accidentally bumping a few cars them selves, personally I think everyone that has owned a car has lost grip on the door at least once, maybe you caused damage and maybe you didn't but you can at least see how it happens by accident...

I can't say I recall ever doing that without going up to the driver and saying "Geez, I'm sorry about that. Is there anything I can do?" And when I say that I usually get a "naw, don't worry about it."

And if somebody makes a small ding on my car and appears to be truely appologetic, I usually also brush it off. And I think most of us are of the same mindset- it's not the fact that somebody did something accidentally to us- it's how sorry they appear to be. Like yesterday when waiting for a light I had a woman pretty much clobber me with her backpack. Before I could really get mad she turned around and said "oh, I am so sorry!"

I think the underlying theme of this thread is own up to what you did.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

same thing happened to me

at deerfoot mall, im sitting in the car waiting for the wife. the car in question is by no means mint, but it is in decent shape, and besides, its mine.

white mid-late 30s lady in a minivan pulls in beside me and her little monster of an 8yr old totally slams the door open, putting a big dent in my door.

i get out, look at it, look at the kid, then her, and ask for her insurance.

she doesnt say a thing, just looks down at the ground and hurridly (sp?) tells little timmy to come on.

i am seething, absolutely raging at this inconsiderate b*tch and her hellspawn and watch them walk into the mall.

so, in retaliation, i kicked the passenger door in about as bad as mine and then proceeded to puncture her 2 tires on that side.

petty? sure, but she had every chance to make that situation right, and didnt.

i just thought she might like a taste of her own medicine.

i've said it before and i'll say it again.

society sucks.

Wow and I utterly mean wow. After reading about your reaction, I have difficulty seeing you approaching this lady in a calm and rational manner and politely asking for insurance. Your reaction was completely stupid and over the top.

You simply take the license number down, and go to the police with it, they'll fill out a damage report and include the license number which you take to your insurance company.

You do know if someone had witnessed your roid rage that you would have been standing in front of a judge.

You basically took the amount of damage to your car and revistited it two fold on hers and probably cost her several hours because she had to track down new tires or a towing services.

She was wrong in just walking away (if thats what she did, looking at your post I have a feeling that she ran). You could have walked over to mall security and had them witness the dent and you taking the license number.

Honestly her behaviour may have been stupid, yours was criminal.

[tete]

I own a Saturn. It is 10 years old and I've never seen a dint in the door. Yes, I know that the pant can still scuff off with enough of a hit, but I've yet to see a mark on my doors. Lucky? Maybe. If I get a dint in the door? Honestly, I'm just not that terribly concerned. It's a car, that's all, not my first born. Heck, I don't think I'm going to get too worried when my first born gets a ding or two either. I try my best to ensure I don't hit other car doors while getting out of my car, but there may have been times where I've inadvertently bumped another car with my door and not realized that damage has been done. So I'm willing to chalk up the odd door ding as purely an accident and not done maliciously.

[BradMan23]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

same thing happened to me

at deerfoot mall, im sitting in the car waiting for the wife. the car in question is by no means mint, but it is in decent shape, and besides, its mine.

white mid-late 30s lady in a minivan pulls in beside me and her little monster of an 8yr old totally slams the door open, putting a big dent in my door.

i get out, look at it, look at the kid, then her, and ask for her insurance.

she doesnt say a thing, just looks down at the ground and hurridly (sp?) tells little timmy to come on.

i am seething, absolutely raging at this inconsiderate b*tch and her hellspawn and watch them walk into the mall.

so, in retaliation, i kicked the passenger door in about as bad as mine and then proceeded to puncture her 2 tires on that side.

petty? sure, but she had every chance to make that situation right, and didnt.

i just thought she might like a taste of her own medicine.

i've said it before and i'll say it again.

society sucks.

Ya dude...wow. Um, I can 'kinda' see kicking the door and leaving the same sized dent in her car....but... to proceed to slash her tires? WTF. Who does that? Who even carries around a knife capable of cutting open car tires? Pyscho.

Most people just need you to call them on their actions, even if its nothing more then that. Calling them on their actions.

Back in university I parked and treked from McMahon stadium. Anyone who has parked there knows that the spots nearest to the uni are just gold as parking at the opposite side of the lot can add another 5-10mins (which is a lot of time when your always running late....). None the less, some moron took up two of the prime spots by parking directly on the yellow line. I just wrote a note explaining that this was very inconsiderate, and the next time I saw them park this way I would key their car to no end. From that day on, the same car was always parked neatly in a single stall.

They had no choice. The person didnt know it was mearly an empty threat. ...and I didnt have to slash any tires....

-Brad

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Wow and I utterly mean wow. After reading about your reaction, I have difficulty seeing you approaching this lady in a calm and rational manner and politely asking for insurance. Your reaction was completely stupid and over the top.

You simply take the license number down, and go to the police with it, they'll fill out a damage report and include the license number which you take to your insurance company.

You do know if someone had witnessed your roid rage that you would have been standing in front of a judge.

You basically took the amount of damage to your car and revistited it two fold on hers and probably cost her several hours because she had to track down new tires or a towing services.

She was wrong in just walking away (if thats what she did, looking at your post I have a feeling that she ran). You could have walked over to mall security and had them witness the dent and you taking the license number.

Honestly her behaviour may have been stupid, yours was criminal.

I'm willing to bet it was more of a "So? Oh well...I'll ignore it" attitude that caused her to walk away rather than a raging Ricosuave. The ignorance in these situation is astounding.

Agreed, filing a hit and run claim would have been the best thing. I think a lot of the "that was so wrong" comments here are from people that don't really cherish their cars, but think of them more as an appliance. Put it in context of some material object (your house, your bike, your yard) you really cherish and take pride in and I think you'd feel a little of the anger at the carelessness of others.

Boo-hoo if he cost her a few hours of inconvienience. (although letting air out might have been a non destructive way of sending that message) Aside from the monetary damages you'd pay (good bye clean claims record with your own insurance) you would:

- spend time tracking down mall cops
- spend time tracking down her details as she didn't volunteer them.
- spend time tracking her and her insurance down.
- spend time negotiating.
- spend time finding a bodyshop
- spend time getting the car fixed.


Think you'll be compensated for that? Nope. Think our justice and claims system will give you complete restitution for damages & hassles and rebuke the offender? Nope. Ken0042 nicely outlined the scenario whereby hopefully the lady will have learned a thing or two, and not do this in the future.

Be careful with your doors, own up to your damage, and all this discussion is moot.....

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by tete

I own a Saturn. It is 10 years old and I've never seen a dint in the door. Yes, I know that the pant can still scuff off with enough of a hit, but I've yet to see a mark on my doors. Lucky? Maybe. If I get a dint in the door? Honestly, I'm just not that terribly concerned. It's a car, that's all, not my first born. Heck, I don't think I'm going to get too worried when my first born gets a ding or two either. I try my best to ensure I don't hit other car doors while getting out of my car, but there may have been times where I've inadvertently bumped another car with my door and not realized that damage has been done. So I'm willing to chalk up the odd door ding as purely an accident and not done maliciously.

If someone actually manages to ding a Saturn enough to dent it, they're probably using a sledgehammer. Darn polymer panels.

Come back to this thread when you one day buy a $40,000 car with your hard earned money. New cars do this to you.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

I'm willing to bet it was more of a "So? Oh well...I'll ignore it" attitude that caused her to walk away rather than a raging Ricosuave. The ignorance in these situation is astounding.

We'll have to disagree, my gut feeling after reading about his reaction that he was pissed long before he slashed her tires. Besides the fact that her wrong dosen't give you the right to destroy private property. Thats why we have laws.

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

I Agreed, filing a hit and run claim would have been the best thing. I think a lot of the "that was so wrong" comments here are from people that don't really cherish their cars, but think of them more as an appliance. Put it in context of some material object (your house, your bike, your yard) you really cherish and take pride in and I think you'd feel a little of the anger at the carelessness of others.

bunk, I had my car rear ended and destroyed by a idiot on a cellphone a couple of weeks ago, and I didn't get out of my car with a knife or a tire iron, and I loved my car, and I'm pissed that I'm going to have to write it off and get a new one. Rico's behavior was totally uncivilized and stupid. If he would have reported a hit and run, it would have gone on the record and had a greater effect on her then what he did. And yes, I would feel anger if someone damaged something in my yard, but that dosen't give me the right to burn down my neighbours house.

Was she uncool about the whole thing, sure, I admit it, she was a moron if she merely walked away if that was the case. but that dosen't give Rico the right to further add to the event by destroying her private property.

In fact under the scenario, if the police had witnessed Rico doing the act that he did, they wouldn't have given two craps about what she did. Extenuating circumstances don't forgive you from a criminal act unless its a issue of clear self defense.

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

I Boo-hoo if he cost her a few hours of inconvienience. (although letting air out might have been a non destructive way of sending that message) Aside from the monetary damages you'd pay (good bye clean claims record with your own insurance) you would:

- spend time tracking down mall cops
- spend time tracking down her details as she didn't volunteer them.
- spend time tracking her and her insurance down.
- spend time negotiating.
- spend time finding a bodyshop
- spend time getting the car fixed.


Think you'll be compensated for that? Nope. Think our justice and claims system will give you complete restitution for damages & hassles and rebuke the offender? Nope. Ken0042 nicely outlined the scenario whereby hopefully the lady will have learned a thing or two, and not do this in the future.

So because its inconvienient to follow the law, we should ignore it. I guess thats what seperates us from the apes. They violently react and then settle down to eat a wholesome meal of thier own poop, while we follow the rules of society.

[Burninator]

Slashing someones tires doesn't have anything to do with cherishing cars or how much you spent on them. That's a total moot point. There are others ways to deal with the situation. Employing this logic I could have just bought a brand new Ferrari Enzo for a million dollars, and I am also president of the Ferrari owners Club of Canada. Clearly I spend a lot of money on my car, and I have a great respect for cars. Lets say some person carelessly plows into my car and totals it. If it is ok to dent in someones door and slash their tires because they dinged my door, I should be allowed to murder them because I care so much about cars and payed a lot. Sound ridiculous? So does slashing someones tires.

Our society doesn't work on the moto of "tit for tat". ie. Someone dings my door so I can ding it back. We have a legal system for a reason.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by habernac

It sucks, doesn't it peter? My wife and I were lucky. The person that hit our car was very cooperative. But having a brand new vehicle get nailed is a painful experience.

It's like having a piece of you ripped out. Especially if it's a first car. Hahaha, I couldn't even function for a few days after the accident.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So because its inconvienient to follow the law, we should ignore it. I guess thats what seperates us from the apes. They violently react and then settle down to eat a wholesome meal of thier own poop, while we follow the rules of society.

Originally Posted by Burninator

Our society doesn't work on the moto of "tit for tat". ie. Someone dings my door so I can ding it back. We have a legal system for a reason.

I guess I have a slightly more jaded view of those who enforce the laws of the land; especially when it comes to minor laws. My reaction come from a few years ago when me and a buddy were cycling and he got hit by a pickup truck. The truck driver sped off.

I got the license # and description, peeled my buddy off the pavement and rushed him to the hospital. At first the police weren't going to do anything because I was unsure of one letter on the plate. (I wasn't sure if it was an "M" or an "N.") Then when I said "if I have to commit, I'll go with "M."" (which was correct.) At that point the driver still wasn't even charged.

Had I gone with "N" my buddy wouldn't have been able to sue for his losses (He missed a few weeks of work.) And even with me giving the correct info to the police, they still did as little as they possibly could; and this was injury accident- requiring a hospital visit and eventually surgery.

Then early this year when my car was stolen, the police didn't even bother to dust for prints. I would have been much happier paying my deductible had I known the twirp would be charged.

So I'm not sure how effective getting the police involved would have been in Rico's case. Do I think he handled it the best way he could have- no. But I also can't say I can hold myself in a higher regard than him.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by urban1

And the guy with a crow bar. WTF? Dudes gotta have issues if he carries around a crow bar to solve parking lot problems.

No issues I can assure you. Then again it's funny how people can judge others when they've never met them in person, OR been in their situations where damage was done to their vehicles.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Slashing someones tires doesn't have anything to do with cherishing cars or how much you spent on them. That's a total moot point. There are others ways to deal with the situation. Employing this logic I could have just bought a brand new Ferrari Enzo for a million dollars, and I am also president of the Ferrari owners Club of Canada. Clearly I spend a lot of money on my car, and I have a great respect for cars. Lets say some person carelessly plows into my car and totals it. If it is ok to dent in someones door and slash their tires because they dinged my door, I should be allowed to murder them because I care so much about cars and payed a lot. Sound ridiculous? So does slashing someones tires.

Our society doesn't work on the moto of "tit for tat". ie. Someone dings my door so I can ding it back. We have a legal system for a reason.

Yes, because murder is the reaction we're talking about... As I've stated, the legal and insurance systems will not compensate you for money and time on a small offence like this, nor will it prevent the offender from repeating.

Is this right? Nope. Should rational and contributing members of society do this? Nope. Is this what a good society is built on? Nope?

But I'm tired. Tired of turning cheek and taking the loss myself. Tired of being the nice guy. Tired from paying for:

- door dings
- smashed car windows in a parkade (looking for loose change)
- the idiot who ran into the wrought iron gate by the parkade and bent it to hell.
- grafitti on the stucco of the condo.
- a new front bumper because people don't know how to park.
- new flowers because people shortcut through a flowerbed.
- etc etc...

So if I get the chance to effect some change in this neverending cycle of ignorance, and it stops this lady from doing it again. I probably would. And I think she'll learn. She easily pay a ticket or cut a cheque, but she'll always remember the hassle of getting it fixed and that day in the parking lot...

[RubberDuck]

I'm with Ken on this as far as having a jaded view of whth the authorities will be able to do for you in a situation like this. With a shortage of police countrywide, the RCMP saying in not so many words that they do not have the time to pursue warrants anymore, and violent crime escalating all over the province, the police will not do much with minor crimes. A friend of mine had his motorbike stolen right out of his dirt yard, the tracks led straight to the neighbors house who moved out the night before, and the cops basically told him there was nothing they could do. They would not even come and look at the obvious evidence. Not that I agree with slashing tires but sometimes you have to deal with things on your own.

[BradMan23]

Originally Posted by Dion

No issues I can assure you. Then again it's funny how people can judge others when they've never met them in person, OR been in their situations where damage was done to their vehicles.

Someone dents your car...so you grab a crowbar thats stored in your truck (for this purpose only!) and smash the taillights of the offending owners vehicle. ....

Yes you're right...I havent met them in person. And I dont think I want to. As they obviously DO have issues. Dont judge psychos if you havent met them....

I hope I never hear of you judging anyone you havent met then... Hitler... Unibomber...etc etc.. Dont judge them!

-Brad

[Dion]

Originally Posted by BradMan23

Someone dents your car...so you grab a crowbar thats stored in your truck (for this purpose only!) and smash the taillights of the offending owners vehicle. ....

Yes you're right...I havent met them in person. And I dont think I want to. As they obviously DO have issues. Dont judge psychos if you havent met them....

I hope I never hear of you judging anyone you havent met then... Hitler... Unibomber...etc etc.. Dont judge them!

-Brad

For the record the person with the crowbar was a friend of mine. If you read all the posts in this thread you would have known this.

When you have to pay out of your own pocket to get damages done by someone else fixed, then maybe you'll understand the jaded feeling people have.

Ohhhh and I haven't judged Ricosauve for his actions either. I don't know the guy nor was I there when the incident happened. But, hey, you go right ahead and crucify Rico for his actions if it makes you feel better.

[BradMan23]

Originally Posted by Dion

For the record the person with the crowbar was a friend of mine. If you read all the posts in this thread you would have known this.

When you have to pay out of your own pocket to get damages done by someone else fixed, then maybe you'll understand the jaded feeling people have.

Ohhhh and I haven't judged Ricosauve for his actions either. I don't know the guy nor was I there when the incident happened. But, hey, you go right ahead and crucify rioc for his actions if it makes you feel better.

I never said you did judge Rico. I did read the entire thread, and knew he was a friend of yours...that doesnt make him less crazy. Im just saying that there are times when the you can have an opinion (therein judging) on the 'craziness' of the person when the situation has been explained to you.

IE. carrying a crowbar for the sole purpose of revenge smashing cars, and alternatively slashing peoples tires for their kids dinging of your car door is, in my opinion...crazy.

Im not saying you cant lose your cool, get pissed off, even enter into some verbal confrontations with people... everyone does it. I just make sure to keep my anger in check. Its called self control.

-Brad

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by BradMan23

IE. carrying a crowbar for the sole purpose of revenge smashing cars, and alternatively slashing peoples tires for their kids dinging of your car door is, in my opinion...crazy.

Im not saying you cant lose your cool, get pissed off, even enter into some verbal confrontations with people... everyone does it. I just make sure to keep my anger in check. Its called self control.

I'm not sure about the crowbar guy, but from the sounds of it Rico was quite in control of himself until the woman flat out ignored him after she was (calmly) confronted with the situation.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Dion

For the record the person with the crowbar was a friend of mine. If you read all the posts in this thread you would have known this.

When you have to pay out of your own pocket to get damages done by someone else fixed, then maybe you'll understand the jaded feeling people have.

Ohhhh and I haven't judged Ricosauve for his actions either. I don't know the guy nor was I there when the incident happened. But, hey, you go right ahead and crucify Rico for his actions if it makes you feel better.

So a monetary inconvienience gives you the right to go outside of the law, and in some cases perform a violent act (And yes smashing someones tail lights or slashing tires or whatever is a violent act).

Wow, thats an interesting statement.

[Burninator]

I don't get how committing more crimes is suppose to stop other people from committing lesser crimes. That seems to be the solution many of you are putting forth.

[spydermal]

My car got stuck in a ditch one night after a snow storm, and when I came back the next day some ######s kicked in all my doors, hood, roof and ripped of my windshield wipers and side mirrors. The strangest part was it was during a massive snow storm.