08-16-2007, 01:54 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by worth
32 bit os will only allow something like 3.2gb of memory. you can stick 4 in there, but will only use up to 3.2.
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Windows did that on purpose to prevent driver crashes.
I've heard of a couple ways to get around that (one is MOBO/BIOS dependant) but I don't have anything with that much memory to test.
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And going back to that same blog I've listed, here is a pretty good explanation...
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000811.html
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"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
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Last edited by Bobblehead; 08-16-2007 at 02:03 PM.
Reason: Added another link
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08-16-2007, 03:55 PM
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#62
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Wherever you go there you are.
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Hey it's all good so long as you don't buy the parts and return them like this..
http://hardocp.com/news.html?news=Mj...VzaWFzdCwsLDE=
in a previous life, receiving systems like this were indeed worthy of photography..
(Hey hey, no longer a backup goalie!)
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08-16-2007, 04:06 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by Cliche
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He told us he has always built his own PCs and that he knows what he’s doing, yet he can’t figure out what is wrong
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__________________
"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-16-2007, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cliche
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LOL that's hilarious.
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08-16-2007, 06:18 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by Bobblehead
It isn't a direct correlation.
Here is a very simplified explanation:
The processor is made to run at a certain speed.
However, with some processors you can make them run faster. You do this simply by making them run faster (this is called overclocking (OC)).
In order to overclock, you need to increase the speed of the "clock", and you do that (one way) by changing a multiplier.
However, when you play with how fast the processor runs, you can't forget the memory - how fast can it save data, how fast can it supply data. So when you change the multiplier, on some motherboards it also changes how fast the memory needs to work.
Only about 1% of people every play with things like that. You need to worry about stability, memory timings, BIOS settings, power settings, and heat dissipation. But if you are willing to learn all that, you can buy a cheaper CPU, and speed it up so that it runs as fast as a much more expensive CPU. You need a fair bit of patience (and be willing to possibly burn out your CPU) .
99% of people don't need to worry about this. Get your CPU, motherboard, and recommended speed of memory and you will be fine.
Edit: Here are the steps on building a computer from a Blog I read.
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000905.html
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000907.html
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000908.html
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000918.html
http://www.hanselman.com/blog/GoneQu...veloperPC.aspx
(The first 4 links are the guy who built it. The last one is the guy who the machine was built for) |
Good article, thanks Bobblehead.
I got interested in overclocking from this thread at AVS Forum on building an HD HTPC. It's a popular thread and the thread starter endorses overclocking the new Intel core2 duo processors. The way he does is it, is to just increase the FSB [as only the most expensive core2 CPUs allow increasing the multiplier] to get the processor up to speed to run HD 1920x1080 content. With the latest GPUs such as the 8600GTS and the ATI 2600, this may no longer be needed, but still lots of these Home Theater buffs are overclocking because it is fairly simple. From reading this and going to Motherboard manufacturers sites, it seems that more than 1% are OClocking.
For me, I wanted to better understand my system and know what components went with what, as well as a having a little challenge. As has been stated, proceed at your own risk and anyone should READ as much as you can, so you don't do anything too stupid and fry your system.
Here's the AVS thread on HD HTPCs with a good list of recommended components and the reasoning behind his choices.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=26/
Last edited by Vulcan; 08-16-2007 at 06:22 PM.
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08-16-2007, 06:37 PM
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#66
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by worth
Everything you could ever want to know on OC a C2D/C2Q:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1198647
Although I don't think OC is something anyone should try without background knowledge first. I think it would probably be easier for you to forget about OC and go with a C2D/C2Q
You also may want to sign up on the hard forum board because there is a wealth of knowledge there and a lot of computer people there that can help you out and a lot of threads to wade through. |
Good link worth, I changed a couple of my settings so my computer runs slower with lower voltage [underclocked] when it doesn't need the speed but shifts up when needed.
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08-17-2007, 02:02 PM
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First Line Centre
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I've been in the market for a new computer as well. I went to Future Shop this weekend and this computer caught my eye:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...Flyer_Tracking
It's an additional $300 for the 22' Samsung Wide LCD Moniter.
Any feedback in regards to this computer? How's the video card in this package? Is it sufficient enough to play some of today's new games?
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08-17-2007, 02:09 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Vancouver
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The computer is decent. The video card is crap. Especially when you hook that up with a 22" monitor.
That's a high resolution monitor. You could maybe get away with low settings in most games and have a decent framerate. Maybe medium settings if you went for a 19" non widescreen 1280X1024 monitor.
And PC5300 ram? 630gb hhd? I wouldn't doubt if the whole system was bottlenecked. Having a Q6600 with 3gb of 5300 and a crappy hhd (if it is junk) doesn't make sense to me.
That computer might work as a good base for you though. Add a geforce 7900 card to it and it would probably be decent for games.
Last edited by worth; 08-17-2007 at 02:12 PM.
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08-17-2007, 02:20 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by GoFlamesGo
I've been in the market for a new computer as well. I went to Future Shop this weekend and this computer caught my eye:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...Flyer_Tracking
It's an additional $300 for the 22' Samsung Wide LCD Moniter.
Any feedback in regards to this computer? How's the video card in this package? Is it sufficient enough to play some of today's new games? |
The video card is definitely the weakest link, but overall it has good specs. And yes, it should play most of todays game pretty well. I'd save up for a video card, but outside of that you have a solid system.
The HDD is a bit strange. There are 320GB drives but I've never seen a 640. It would be nice to know more about it, but it is 7200RPM so it should be fine.
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-17-2007, 02:36 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
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Originally Posted by GoFlamesGo
I've been in the market for a new computer as well. I went to Future Shop this weekend and this computer caught my eye:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...Flyer_Tracking
It's an additional $300 for the 22' Samsung Wide LCD Moniter.
Any feedback in regards to this computer? How's the video card in this package? Is it sufficient enough to play some of today's new games? |
I'd pass on it, except for that Samsung monitor. the 226BW is awesome. 2ms and that piano glass finish looks great.
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08-23-2007, 11:27 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Vancouver
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probably don't need 4gb unless your using 64 bit vista...which i don't think home premium is...but i may be wrong.
the 8600gts will probably not do it for high end gaming. look into the 8800gts. that is in between the 8600 and the 8800gtx which dell is quoting you. maybe you can buy without video card and add your own?
8800gts comes in 320mb and 640mb versions.
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08-23-2007, 11:32 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
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Originally Posted by GoFlamesGo
Thanks for the feedback guys. I decided to build a Dimension 9200 from Dell instead of picking up the HP computer from FS.
I built the following:
Dimension 9200 Intel® Core™ 2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB), english
Memory 4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 4 DIMMs
Video Cards 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX
Hard Drive 500GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
Floppy Drive and Media Reader 13 in 1 Media Card Reader
Operating System Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium Edition
The computer came out to around $1800 without a monitor (I like the look of the 22' Samsumg LCD better then the Dell monitors).
I'm having a really tough time deciding which graphics card to get. The system comes with a 256MB nVidia GeForce 8600 GTS. The only upgrade option is a 768MB nVidia GeForce 8800 GTX for an extra $350! I was hoping to get a 512MB graphics card for an extra $150-$200, but Dell doesn't have any. Is the 256MB good enough to play the new high end games or should I suck it up and dish out the extra money for the 768MB graphics card? I don't want to spend the extra money if it's not necessary.
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Wow that seems like a lot without a monitor. Also for the quads you should try to get the DDR2 PC2-8500 ram that run at 1066mhz. 2 gigs is only $169 at mem express.
The new samsung monitor is awesome. the 2206BW. I love the glossy black.
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08-23-2007, 11:33 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
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Quote:
Originally Posted by worth
probably don't need 4gb unless your using 64 bit vista...which i don't think home premium is...but i may be wrong.
the 8600gts will probably not do it for high end gaming. look into the 8800gts. that is in between the 8600 and the 8800gtx which dell is quoting you. maybe you can buy without video card and add your own?
8800gts comes in 320mb and 640mb versions.
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It comes in both but if you are getting the 32 bit version it won't recognize more than 2 gigs of ram.
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08-23-2007, 11:38 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Vancouver
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don't think he needs 1066mhz ram. 800mhz really all he needs. there's no way that will bottleneck the processor.
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08-23-2007, 11:59 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by Kobatuzzied
It comes in both but if you are getting the 32 bit version it won't recognize more than 2 gigs of ram.
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It will recognize just over 3GB or ram (3.12 to be precise)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-23-2007, 12:00 PM
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Official CP Photographer
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: PL15
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08-23-2007, 12:01 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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Originally Posted by Neeper
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Not if he wants to play the "newest high-end games"
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"The problem with any ideology is that it gives the answer before you look at the evidence."
—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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08-23-2007, 03:15 PM
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Franchise Player
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What do you all you experts think of this setup from Memory Express.
Antec Nine Hundred Ultimate Gamer Case + TruePower Trio 650W Power Supply Bundle $239.90
Asus P5N32-E SLI w/ DualDDR2 800, SupremeFX 7.1 Audio, Dual GB Lan, 1394, Dual PCI-E x16 SLI $239.95
Intel Core™2 Quad Processor Q6600 2.4GHz w/ 2x4MB Cache $309.95
Corsair 2GB XMS2-6400 Dominator TWIN2X Dual Channel DDR2 Kit (2 x 1GB) $239.95
eVGA e-GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDTV-Out $409.95
Seagate 500GB Barracuda 7200.10 SATA II w/ NCQ, 16MB Cache $119.95
Samsung SH-S182M Lightscribe 18x18 Dual Layer DVD+/-RW, Black $39.95
The total comes to $1695.58, and after the mail in rebates the total is $1575.58. Is there anything you would change or something that doesn't work? I would like to keep it under $2000, bearing in mind I still need to purchase, a mouse, keyboard, surround sound speaks, and an OS (roughly another $400). Is there any other additional costs I would be looking at? Internal cables? And what would memory express charge to assemble everything? Thanks for your input.
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08-23-2007, 03:23 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Change the DVD writer to a SATA version, easier to cable.
The video card you can get from NCIX for a hundred less:
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...nufacture=eVGA
Most of the stuff you can probably get cheaper from NCIX
Otherwise looks good, though I'd throw in a seperate sound card. This is the one I want 
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ture=AuzenTech
EDIT: Either place will assemble it for pretty cheap. Check eBay for prices on Windows, sometimes good deals to be had there.
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