The New iMac...Damn you look sexy

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Barnes

This argument is just plain wrong.

eg: the only reason that windows server is safer is because it's not as widely used

Your conclusion doesn't follow.
Why then are there more succesful attacks on Windows based servers? Why aren't attacks successful on Apache based servers since there are way more? Shouldn't Apache servers get hit way more than Windows boxes?

This thread was not supposed to be about Windows vs Mac. If you want to make it that way you gotta come with more than "you can do all that and MORE".

well i don't use servers so i can't comment on Apache, but Windows Server is still based on the same source as the consumer OS so wouldn't it stand to reason that it can be vulnerable to the same types of exploits? (which is still a knock against Microsoft, don't get me wrong. i'm not trying to say they are the perfect company and Windows is flawless). my argument is against Apple, who started the whole "Mac vs. Windows" argument. there are already vunlerabilites and exploits in OSX, so if you magnified the user base to the level that Windows is at i bet there wouldn't be that big of a difference. and i've personally seen Macs freeze and crash from the same types of issues that can affect a Windows PC

i'm NOT trying to make this a windows/mac debate, i'm just saying how much i hate those ads because of the extremely misleading info they give

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

You have that backwards. x86 platform is CISC. CISC won.

Hah...neither really won. Your IA32 CISC code is being decoded into a lower level RISC-like instruction set on all modern x86 compatible CPU's. CISC and RISC are not really relavent terms anymore when discussing microprocessors, though, so it hardly matters.

-Scott

[browna]

Somewhat off topic, but someone convince me to shell out for a MacBook with a Super Drive. (if I can wrangle an Education Discount, still $1350+taxes, and I could get a free 4G Nano (which i'd sell for probably $180) meaning $1170 net + $100 taxes.

It would be for foolng around, surfing, and since it its fortay, be a bit more creative with my digital camcorder, so some digital video editing...recreational stuff. With a better program, I can do most of that on my 3 year old PC with a P4 HT and 512MB Ram already though.

That it, no gaming, no nothing else intensive.... I can get a HP PC latop 14.1 screen with a Cole Duo processor, same ram, same HD size for $400 less without the hassle of selling the Nano to boot.

Technically, if I upgrade the ram by 1GB and get a better video card and video editing program and the specs would look better then a mac for the same price as a mac, right?

I like the idea of a macbook to compliment my pc, and am a bit curious, I just don't know if I can justify the premium price that Apple charges for thier hardware for a computer that doesn't directly serve a specifc need, other then they are slightly better multimedia-wise/friendly out of the box.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Hah...neither really won. Your IA32 CISC code is being decoded into a lower level RISC-like instruction set on all modern x86 compatible CPU's. CISC and RISC are not really relavent terms anymore when discussing microprocessors, though, so it hardly matters.

-Scott

True. RISC kept adding instructions, CISC shuffled its instructions into different levels.

x86-64 is still technically a CISC instruction set.

But RISC processors are still used in PS2, PS3 (Cell), ARM (Palm PDA, iPhone and a myriad of other embedded devices) and so on. But the PowerPC fell out of favour, and my company retired a DEC Alpha a few years ago.
I guess "won" or "lost" is a bit to final. Both systems evolved into different directions. The original XBox was an x86 processor, the XBox 360 is a RISC based processor (Xenon).

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by BananaPancakes

In a recent joint-interview with Jobs actually described Apple as more of software company than a hardware company. He explains that a Mac is essentially a beautiful box, and what they're really selling is OSX.

Most of the Apple Ads are about OSX vs Windows anyways.

Then they should make OSX available to "PC" users.

But they don't, because they want people to buy their hardware in order to use their software. I'd love to try OSX on my laptop, but I like my laptop a lot more than my officemate's MacBook.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Then they should make OSX available to "PC" users.

But they don't, because they want people to buy their hardware in order to use their software. I'd love to try OSX on my laptop, but I like my laptop a lot more than my officemate's MacBook.

try linux then, seriously. they're both built on the same UNIX platform, and if you get a distribution like Ubuntu with the Gnome interface it's very similar to a mac. you don't get all the fancy eye candy like you do with OSX and things aren't as simplified, but it's a great OS if you just want to try something other than Windows. and you can't go wrong with free

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

try linux then, seriously. they're both built on the same UNIX platform, and if you get a distribution like Ubuntu with the Gnome interface it's very similar to a mac. you don't get all the fancy eye candy like you do with OSX and things aren't as simplified, but it's a great OS if you just want to try something other than Windows. and you can't go wrong with free

I dual boot with Windows and Ubuntu

I admit that I like a lot of the software suites that Apple has. Just don't be such dick-wads and make your stuff available to more people!!

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I dual boot with Windows and Ubuntu

I admit that I like a lot of the software suites that Apple has. Just don't be such dick-wads and make your stuff available to more people!!

well if they made their operating system available to anyone, then why would people buy their overpriced hardware? that's why i think that saying Apple is a hardware vendor vs. a software one is a good argument, OSX is just the marketing tool to get people to buy the machine

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

well if they made their operating system available to anyone, then why would people buy their overpriced hardware? that's why i think that saying Apple is a hardware vendor vs. a software one is a good argument, OSX is just the marketing tool to get people to buy the machine

Yep.. and that's why Apple are dick-wads. Pretty! Shiny! Oooohhhh!! What a nice box!

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Yep.. and that's why Apple are dick-wads. Pretty! Shiny! Oooohhhh!! What a nice box!

as a side note, if you wanted to try running OSX on your regular PC you can with the Pear PC emulator. you'll still need a valid OSX install disc though, and the speed leaves something to be desired

[iggypop]

Originally Posted by Neeper

I feel it is necessary to also have a windows operating machine for programs and certain thing I use my PC for

Thats not a problem then, macs can run windows just fine. You can switch back and forth between windows and OS at your leisure.

[sadora]

Originally Posted by Neeper

I made the switch last year when I got my MacBook pro. But I will admit, I feel it is necessary to also have a windows operating machine for programs and certain thing I use my PC for. But Mac can run windows too, so no prob.

I have both PC an Mac because I find them both better for certain programs. I do a lot of video editing so I have the Mac Pro, which is a sexy beast. My PC I use mainly for gaming and office. I found that Mac's version of office less useful than windows.

I won't knock either because they both have their strengths and weaknesses.

[me_dennis]

Originally Posted by BananaPancakes

Same thing happened to me. I called Apple around 4:00pm and they overnight shipped me a new one and I got it at 10:00am the next morning for no charge. (I didn't even purchase extended Applecare coverage)

Anyways, authorized Apple dealers are not responsible for the Apple warranty, asfk. I'd call Apple again and tell them there's no Apple store near you.

The new iMac looks beautiful though. I would jump on it right away if I was in the market for a desktop. iLife '08 has everything that I've been waiting for and more; new and improved iPhoto and iMovie =)

PS. I took some pictures of my old Melted Magsafe for those who are interested. The one they sent back seems to be a newer model with reinforced support around that area. http://flickr.com/photos/soyproject/1002071869/

that is EXACTLY what happened to mine!! thanks for the pictures.. can i ask u what you told them when you called apple?

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

try linux then, seriously. they're both built on the same UNIX platform, and if you get a distribution like Ubuntu with the Gnome interface it's very similar to a mac. you don't get all the fancy eye candy like you do with OSX and things aren't as simplified, but it's a great OS if you just want to try something other than Windows. and you can't go wrong with free

Sorry to nitpick, but that's not really true. BSD and Linux are two different strains of code that havn't merged in a long time (to the best of my knowledge). The core systems between Ubuntu and OSX/OpenBSD are different. That said, everything produced by the GNU project (basically the tools) is pretty much similar. Yeah, it's a lame nitpick.

Oh, and Ubuntu now comes with an OpenGL based gui renderer. It's much prettier then either OSX or Windows Vista, just not as well designed in my opinion.

Unfortunately, the lack of Direct X and the worlds reliance on MS Office prevents me from using Ubuntu full time. Hopefully that will change in the next couple years.

Personally, Apple Mac's are the Porche of computers. They are all style, some preformance but for the price tag there are much better options out there. But some people live and die by them.

All I know is, they are certainly better then the poop that comes out of Dell these days.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Then they should make OSX available to "PC" users.

But they don't, because they want people to buy their hardware in order to use their software. I'd love to try OSX on my laptop, but I like my laptop a lot more than my officemate's MacBook.

They tried this and it almost killed them. Like Amiga dead. Apple is a hardware/CE company. Microsoft wishes they could be but have failed at every piece of hardware except the xbox.

It is what has made themm succesful. Their market cap has surpassed HP and IBM and is fast approaching Intel's. They're doing ok and don't care that you want to install it on your ACER.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by llama64

Personally, Apple Mac's are the Porche of computers. They are all style, some preformance but for the price tag there are much better options out there. But some people live and die by them.

All I know is, they are certainly better then the poop that comes out of Dell these days.

I have to agree. Dell really has sold out and their computers are absolute garbage. My mom just bought a Dell laptop, and within two months it started having massive network card issues, random error messages and all that.

I took it, formatted all the Dell garbage out of the machine, put my own copy of Windows XP Pro SP2 on it, installed only what she needed, and now it's been working fine. It's sad that Windows is actually a pretty decent piece of code, but companies exploit it and such and it turns into crap pretty quickly. For now the Macs don't have any trial software and all that, but I wonder at what point they are going to sell out as well.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Barnes

They tried this and it almost killed them.

That was in response to someone saying that Jobs considers Apple a software company more than a hardware company.

But the fact remains.. The current Mac ad campaign is going after Microsoft's OS', and is doing so by saying "look at our eye-candy OS that doesn't do all that bad, nasty stuff that those evil doers at Microsoft do, but you have to buy our hardware in order to get that."

I've got an XPS1210 that runs beautifully, and is just over a year old now.

For me to switch to Vista: $299.99 - $499.99 (probably $299.99)
For me to use ubuntu: Free
For me to switch to OS X: $1,614.00 (at minimum, not including taxes, and this system doesn't match my current)

Per ubuntu:
In my latest ubuntu update I found that my nVidia drivers finally got fixed! If I was using those drivers then my computer would lock up if I tried suspend or hibernate. But it's so worth it for Beryl!

I wish I could get Office 2007 on ubuntu, after that I wouldn't really need anything from Windows at home.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by llama64

Sorry to nitpick, but that's not really true. BSD and Linux are two different strains of code that havn't merged in a long time (to the best of my knowledge). The core systems between Ubuntu and OSX/OpenBSD are different. That said, everything produced by the GNU project (basically the tools) is pretty much similar. Yeah, it's a lame nitpick.

well i was thinking of how an end user not that familiar with either system would see it. you stick your typical PC user in front of two computers running Linux and FreeBSD, both with either the KDE or Gnome GUIs and they wouldn't be able to tell the difference

[Burninator]

I've been thinking about getting an iMac. I have a Dell XPS right now, and it was doing really great. But over the past year it seems to be getting bogged down (as have all the computers I've owned) and the nuking and defragmenting doesn't seem to help. Plus it isn't my computer (the families) so I will need my own soon anyways.

There are a couple things I like about the Mac. More stable than a PC, for the specs it seems like a better value than a PC (this one), the new one looks great, no junk software included. Plus on the surface it is more simple than a PC. The only downside I see is the ability to run games. I haven't been playing much in the way of computer games recently and since it is possible to run windows on the mac I can still run all my games (or use my xbox). Plus I just want to try something different. My other choice is to build my own PC, but I have a feeling I would end up spending much more than this Mac will cost.

[BananaPancakes]

Originally Posted by me_dennis

that is EXACTLY what happened to mine!! thanks for the pictures.. can i ask u what you told them when you called apple?

Yeah, no problem. Apple seems to have a lot of phone numbers lying around their site so make sure you call the right one. 1-800-263-3394 (from here http://www.apple.com/support/contact..._contacts.html)

In exact words, I just told them that my "magsafe melted". They redirected me to someone in the safety department, answered some questions about my safety, then he arranged to ship me a new one.

I hear that sometimes they'll ask you to take it to the closest Apple Store. Just tell them that there's no Apple Store near you and that should be all it takes.

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I'll have to agree with Kermitology though. Apple is steadily but slowly taking marketshare, but to start to really compete with Microsoft/Windows they need to make OSX available to PC users or come out with a new all-in-not-one tower that is upgradeable. That would be great, imo.