Arafat in a coma?

[HOZ]

I am sure there will be plenty of tears from his butt pals.

How many billions in his Swiss account will be spared for the urinal?...err I mean tomb.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by FlamesAddiction@Nov 11 2004, 04:41 AM
And he dies.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...s_nm/mideast_dc

Good riddance.

Hopefully the shovel hits him on the head when they're throwing dirt on him.

Cowperson

[dangler22]

Originally posted by HOZ@Nov 11 2004, 01:08 PM
I am sure there will be plenty of tears from his butt pals.

How many billions in his Swiss account will be spared for the urinal?...err I mean tomb.

Actually arafat always lived a pretty frugal life depsite all the money he had. It was probably going towards payoffs, weapons and other ways to aid the militant cause.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally posted by dangler22+Nov 11 2004, 04:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dangler22 @ Nov 11 2004, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-HOZ@Nov 11 2004, 01:08 PM
I am sure there will be plenty of tears from his butt pals.

How many billions in his Swiss account will be spared for the urinal?...err I mean tomb.

Actually arafat always lived a pretty frugal life depsite all the money he had. It was probably going towards payoffs, weapons and other ways to aid the militant cause. [/b][/quote]
It was going to bank accounts in Switzerland and to cover his wife's $100,000 a month allowance.
For the billion dollars that he stole I should think he could have bought better weapons.
Now that money will likely never find its way to the people who need it.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by dangler22+Nov 11 2004, 04:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dangler22 @ Nov 11 2004, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-HOZ@Nov 11 2004, 01:08 PM
I am sure there will be plenty of tears from his butt pals.

How many billions in his Swiss account will be spared for the urinal?...err I mean tomb.

Actually arafat always lived a pretty frugal life depsite all the money he had. It was probably going towards payoffs, weapons and other ways to aid the militant cause. [/b][/quote]
There's no reason to sit on $1 billion to $3 billion in assets, largely held in your own name, unless your intent is to keep it.

He was basically Capone running Chicago.

Palestinians certainly paid dearly for something else Fayyad uncovered: a system of monopolies in commodities -- like flour and cement -- that Arafat handed out to his cronies, who then turned around and fleeced the public.

Fayyad says it could accurately be seen as gouging his own people. "And especially in Gaza which is poorer, which is something that is totally unacceptable and immoral, actually."

Of all the monopolies, none was as lucrative or as corrupt as the General Petroleum Corporation, the one for gasoline. The corporation took the fuel it purchased from an Israeli company and watered it down with kerosene, not only defrauding the Palestinian drivers, but wrecking their car engines.

Fayyad says the Petroleum Corporation charged exorbitant prices, and Arafat got a hefty kickback. "To the president, I can tell you, if there was not money in the treasury, he went to the Petroleum Corporation."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/07/...ain582487.shtml

Cowperson

[Agamemnon]

Good riddance.

Hopefully the shovel hits him on the head when they're throwing dirt on him.

Cowperson

Sounds like an Israeli quote, but I don't see the link...

:unsure:

[dangler22]

I'm sure what you say is true but I never saw Arafat living large with palaces, cars and fancy suits. Maybe his wife was a high maintenance lady like you say.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@Nov 11 2004, 04:32 PM

Sounds like an Israeli quote, but I don't see the link...

:unsure:

No link. Just my personal farewell and if that makes me sound like an Israeli then so be it. . . . .

The world reacts:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4001697.stm

Cowperson

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Nov 11 2004, 04:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Nov 11 2004, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@Nov 11 2004, 04:32 PM

Sounds like an Israeli quote, but I don't see the link...

:unsure:

No link. Just my personal farewell and if that makes me sound like an Israeli then so be it. . . . .

The world reacts:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4001697.stm

Cowperson[/b][/quote]
Sorry, yeah, I guess your personal farewell made you sound like an Israeli. This one.

(It is) good that the world is rid of him... The sun is shining in the Middle East.

Israeli Justice Minister Tommy Lapid

I prefer this more moderate Israeli response,

There is no doubt that with the death of Yasser Arafat an era has ended... for good or bad.
The biggest mistake of Arafat was when he turned to terror. His greatest achievements were when he tried to build peace.

Israeli opposition leader Shimon Peres

Excellent example on how to remain civil to one's enemy, and show a little humanity and class when it comes to the death of a human.

Great link.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@Nov 11 2004, 04:47 PM
Excellent example on how to remain civil to one's enemy, and show a little humanity and class when it comes to the death of a human.

Great link.

Fortunately, showing humanity and class to Yasser Arafat would never occur to me.

Cowperson

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Nov 11 2004, 04:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Nov 11 2004, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@Nov 11 2004, 04:47 PM
Excellent example on how to remain civil to one's enemy, and show a little humanity and class when it comes to the death of a human.

Great link.

Fortunately, showing humanity and class to Yasser Arafat would never occur to me.

Cowperson[/b][/quote]
No worries... just because Peres can show decency to a dead-man is no reason to expect everyone to.

Also, I just heard from Wolf Blitzer on CNN (not sure if this is Fata) that they're burying Arafat in cement in the hopes that his body will be eventually removed from Ramallah to Jersualem.

Looks like this thread's earlier debate had more validity to it than I thought

[jonesy]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Nov 11 2004, 05:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Nov 11 2004, 05:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Fortunately, showing humanity and class to Yasser Arafat would never occur to me.

Cowperson

No worries... just because Peres can show decency to a dead-man is no reason to expect everyone to.

Also, I just heard from Wolf Blitzer on CNN (not sure if this is Fata) that they're burying Arafat in cement in the hopes that his body will be eventually removed from Ramallah to Jersualem.

Looks like this thread's earlier debate had more validity to it than I thought [/b][/quote]
Out of curiosity, do you think it was ok for Arafat to be profiting from his people why they languish in filth?
Whether he spent it or not, it seems pretty clear that he was profiting from his people and showing no real concern for them with his left hand, while pretending to care and lead them with his right hand.

Leaving all the other political/terror issues aside, this really irks me. Think of the help he could have done for his people, simply by NOT stealing from them.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Nov 11 2004, 05:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Nov 11 2004, 05:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Fortunately, showing humanity and class to Yasser Arafat would never occur to me.

Cowperson

No worries... just because Peres can show decency to a dead-man is no reason to expect everyone to.

Also, I just heard from Wolf Blitzer on CNN (not sure if this is Fata) that they're burying Arafat in cement in the hopes that his body will be eventually removed from Ramallah to Jersualem.

Looks like this thread's earlier debate had more validity to it than I thought [/b][/quote]
The only decency Arafat showed the thousands of dead that he was responsible for killing was with speaches about how many more should die.

burn father of terrorism, burn

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by jonesy@Nov 11 2004, 05:52 PM
Out of curiosity, do you think it was ok for Arafat to be profiting from his people why they languish in filth?
Whether he spent it or not, it seems pretty clear that he was profiting from his people and showing no real concern for them with his left hand, while pretending to care and lead them with his right hand.

Leaving all the other political/terror issues aside, this really irks me. Think of the help he could have done for his people, simply by NOT stealing from them.

Do you think its ok to wish for a man to be dead (and glad when it happens) due to embezzlement? Sharon has had two separate financial scandals the continue to plague his regime. One could argue that Israel's policies are no more conducive to peace than Palestine's under Arafat. I'm also not sure that the Palestinian people believe that he was 'showing no real concern for them'. I bet a Palestinian might have a lot to tell you about the positive things that the PA and PLO have done for them... that's a big part of why they're so popular.

Obviously Arafat was a terrorist and promoted 'terror'. However, with the term 'terrorist' being tossed around like candy these days, its my opinion that anyone who masterminds illegitimate violence that kills civilians is a terrorist. There are a lot of names that could be put under that definition, and not all of them are brown.

Should Arafat have stolen cash? No. Do I emotionally wish the guy suffers and goes to hell? No. I don't wish that on anyone. I guess I'm a little more soft than you pro-death tough-guys.

Arafat probably caused a lot of hate and death in the Middle East, just like a lot of other people. Isn't it our job to try to rise above the hate/death attitude? As casual observors, you'd think we'd at least have the decency to respect the humanity of both sides. Unless you think one side is inhuman (which many people I know do).

[Bleeding Red]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Nov 11 2004, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Nov 11 2004, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jonesy@Nov 11 2004, 05:52 PM
Out of curiosity, do you think it was ok for Arafat to be profiting from his people why they languish in filth?
Whether he spent it or not, it seems pretty clear that he was profiting from his people and showing no real concern for them with his left hand, while pretending to care and lead them with his right hand.

Leaving all the other political/terror issues aside, this really irks me. Think of the help he could have done for his people, simply by NOT stealing from them.

Do you think its ok to wish for a man to be dead (and glad when it happens) due to embezzlement? Sharon has had two separate financial scandals the continue to plague his regime. One could argue that Israel's policies are no more conducive to peace than Palestine's under Arafat. I'm also not sure that the Palestinian people believe that he was 'showing no real concern for them'. I bet a Palestinian might have a lot to tell you about the positive things that the PA and PLO have done for them... that's a big part of why they're so popular.

Obviously Arafat was a terrorist and promoted 'terror'. However, with the term 'terrorist' being tossed around like candy these days, its my opinion that anyone who masterminds illegitimate violence that kills civilians is a terrorist. There are a lot of names that could be put under that definition, and not all of them are brown.

Should Arafat have stolen cash? No. Do I emotionally wish the guy suffers and goes to hell? No. I don't wish that on anyone. I guess I'm a little more soft than you pro-death tough-guys.

Arafat probably caused a lot of hate and death in the Middle East, just like a lot of other people. Isn't it our job to try to rise above the hate/death attitude? As casual observors, you'd think we'd at least have the decency to respect the humanity of both sides. Unless you think one side is inhuman (which many people I know do). [/b][/quote]
The difference in the 'financial scandal' issue is that the ones involving Sharon went to an independent court while the Palestinian people had no recourse for the gouging and theft of Arafat and his cronies and family members - with the exception of when Arafat tried to institute his nephew as the head of Gaza, the people violently revolted and he chose someone else.

And I guess you said it best when you say you are a "casual observer". That allows you a certin detatchment. I, on the other hand, do not feel so detached. I have no trouble wishing painful hell on someone who profiteers off the misery of others, who sanctions the killing of schoolchildren, and who killed just to get his point across. I do not think that Arafat was inhuman, he was inhumane.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Nov 11 2004, 05:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Nov 11 2004, 05:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Fortunately, showing humanity and class to Yasser Arafat would never occur to me.

Cowperson

No worries... just because Peres can show decency to a dead-man is no reason to expect everyone to.

[/b][/quote]
Exactly. If Peres wants to make that mistake that's his problem, not mine.

Cowperson

[Agamemnon]

I have no trouble wishing painful hell on someone who profiteers off the misery of others, who sanctions the killing of schoolchildren, and who killed just to get his point across.

I guess I just feel sorry for you then, its too bad that you've been made to feel that way.

I do not think that Arafat was inhuman, he was inhumane.

I hear ya. I think its inhumane to wish death on another person. I guess we all set our bars at different places, nothing wrong with that.

[jonesy]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+Nov 11 2004, 06:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ Nov 11 2004, 06:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jonesy@Nov 11 2004, 05:52 PM
Out of curiosity,# do you think it was ok for Arafat to be profiting from his people why they languish in filth?#
Whether he spent it or not, it seems pretty clear that he was profiting from his people and showing no real concern for them with his left hand, while pretending to care and lead them with his right hand.

Leaving all the other political/terror issues aside, this really irks me.# Think of the help he could have done for his people, simply by NOT stealing from them.

Do you think its ok to wish for a man to be dead (and glad when it happens) due to embezzlement? Sharon has had two separate financial scandals the continue to plague his regime. One could argue that Israel's policies are no more conducive to peace than Palestine's under Arafat. I'm also not sure that the Palestinian people believe that he was 'showing no real concern for them'. I bet a Palestinian might have a lot to tell you about the positive things that the PA and PLO have done for them... that's a big part of why they're so popular.

Obviously Arafat was a terrorist and promoted 'terror'. However, with the term 'terrorist' being tossed around like candy these days, its my opinion that anyone who masterminds illegitimate violence that kills civilians is a terrorist. There are a lot of names that could be put under that definition, and not all of them are brown.

Should Arafat have stolen cash? No. Do I emotionally wish the guy suffers and goes to hell? No. I don't wish that on anyone. I guess I'm a little more soft than you pro-death tough-guys.

Arafat probably caused a lot of hate and death in the Middle East, just like a lot of other people. Isn't it our job to try to rise above the hate/death attitude? As casual observors, you'd think we'd at least have the decency to respect the humanity of both sides. Unless you think one side is inhuman (which many people I know do). [/b][/quote]
I'm not sure what you answered. I was not talking about death-toasting with champagne kisses and shovel clunks to the head.

I was just talking about the theft and complete disregard for his people. I was also not talking about Sharon or Enron or any one else who has stolen.

My point was, Arafat was pretending to defend his people, while siphoning off any chance they could have had for self improvement. I just wondered what you thought of that one point. I personally think Arafat condemned his people to squalor by stealing so much from their economy.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by jonesy@Nov 11 2004, 07:10 PM
My point was, Arafat was pretending to defend his people, while siphoning off any chance they could have had for self improvement. I just wondered what you thought of that one point. I personally think Arafat condemned his people to squalor by stealing so much from their economy.

My point was, it is arrogant and ignorant to wish the death of another human being, especially one you don't know and hasn't directly affected you. I see wishing death upon Arafat as the same as wishing death upon Bush. Its not productive, or civlized. That was the issue in this thread.

Was Arafat a jerk for skimming funds? Sure, like all world leaders who do it, its a despicable activity. I've called the guy a terrorist in this thread, its not like I'm in his fan club. I'm just tired of the arm-chair executioners shooting their mouths off about who they wish was dead. But, we've all got our opinions, thats why this board is so great, we can all express them.

[Cowperson]

More reaction - Palestinian militants say Israeli's killed Arafat.

http://www.canada.com/national/story.html?...67-7b8c067194bf

Cowperson