De La Hoya - Mayweather

[Clever_Iggy]

According to ESPN - Sportscenter, the last judge had it 115-113 in favor of Mayweather and was the only just that gave the 12th round to Mayweather.

If he would have given the 12th to DLH as the other two judges did, the fight would have been a draw.

Judge 1 - 7-5 Mayweather (Rd 12 - DLH)
Judge 2 - 5-7 DLH (Rd 12 - DLH)
Judge 3 - 7-5 Mayweather (Rd 12 - Mayweather)

Very close fight.

[FireFly]

Well, I'm sad. But not as sad as I would've been if Mayweather knocked out Oscar. Hopefully there's a rematch I can watch.

[burnin_vernon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I agree with you that the result doesn't determine how good a fight is.
But there has to be more intensity and electricity. De La Hoya's been in many classic fights that have gone the distance. The one with Felix Trinidad "Fight of the Millenium" comes to mind right away. The one with Vargas was great too where De La Hoya wore him down for an 11th round KO.

Do you really like Mayweather's tactics? Is this what you pay money to see? A guy that doesn't jab and doesn't throw combinations? All he does is 1 punch and run and run and run.

It's supposed to be boxing, not dodging.

$60, I hope you got your money's worth.

If boxing continues to reward such boxers, the sport will be dead.

If i recall, that fight was DLH's turn to "punch and run". He danced around all night and in his post fight speech he said he wanted to give a "boxing demonstration" with his footwork. He wanted to showcase that he was more than just a heavy hitter. He looked gracedul and went practically untouched, but didnt get the win.

Anyways, I'm barely a boxing fan anymore and when I couldnt get seats to tonights ppv, I didn't really care cause I didn't think I was missing much. It's sounding like I was right.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by burnin_vernon

If i recall, that fight was DLH's turn to "punch and run". He danced around all night and in his post fight speech he said he wanted to give a "boxing demonstration" with his footwork. He wanted to showcase that he was more than just a heavy hitter. He looked gracedul and went practically untouched, but didnt get the win.

Anyways, I'm barely a boxing fan anymore and when I couldnt get seats to tonights ppv, I didn't really care cause I didn't think I was missing much. It's sounding like I was right.

You were very right. DLH did some punch and run that night against trinidad but the fight had more sparks then this one. And DLH paid for it and I remember being very happy with the verdict. So how come this time Mayweather is the one running and he still wins. I'm with you, I'm hardly a boxing fan anymore.

[united]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I agree with you that the result doesn't determine how good a fight is.
But there has to be more intensity and electricity. De La Hoya's been in many classic fights that have gone the distance. The one with Felix Trinidad "Fight of the Millenium" comes to mind right away. The one with Vargas was great too where De La Hoya wore him down for an 11th round KO.

Do you really like Mayweather's tactics? Is this what you pay money to see? A guy that doesn't jab and doesn't throw combinations? All he does is 1 punch and run and run and run.

It's supposed to be boxing, not dodging.

$60, I hope you got your money's worth.

If boxing continues to reward such boxers, the sport will be dead.

I agree the DLH Trinidad fight was very exciting, but that was a totally different fight also. However as Venom mentioned that was DLH hit and run tactical victory.
I do actaully like Mayweathers tactics, because I love a very strategic tactical fight and that is exactly what he brought. I would rather two tacticians battle it out then two guys throw for the fences, but that's just me. His strategy works brilliantly so I don't see what's wrong with it, if the opponent cannot break it than it's his loss.
Would I pay $60 for it? No because like you guys I'm not into boxing as much as I used to be plus I get it for free anyways.
I agree with you guys though that boxing is dying, sad to see really. It lost me several years ago to mma and I don't see it regaining strength anytime soon.

That being said, hats off the Mayweather for again proving he is pound for pound the best fighter alive. Titles in five weight classes are you kidding me! That's incredible.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Yeah, on one hand, I agreed with De La Hoya in a way when he said something along the lines of, "if I hadn't been the aggressor tonight, there wouldn't have been a fight". As mentioned already, Mayweather was backing up the entire night... but on the other hand, Mayweather's a smart fighter and in a way, had to fight that way and wait for the chance to counter since he hadn't taken punches of that power before. If he had been the one pursuing De La Hoya, he would have opened himself up most certainly for one of De La Hoya's punches. Definitely not an exciting match, but it was a smart one by Mayweather. I thought De La Hoya could have used his reach advantage a little more by throwing the jab...

[transplant99]

Just saw this thread, and I have to say I am surprised by some of the comments.

There was no way that Mayweather was going to do anything other than what he did....he was not going to get into a brawl after moving up weight classes to fight at 150 LB. He got in and got out...and very effectively at that. He threw 100 less punches and landed something like 80 more. Perfect strategy on his part.

I thought it was a great fight with the tactical edge to Mayweather and De La Hoya falling into the trap that was set. The split decision actually opened my eyes a bit as I believed it woud be unanimous and quite easily.

And I was cheering for Oscar all the way.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Just saw this thread......I posted these comments in the sports forum last night. My 2 cents:

I was a little underwhelmed by Mayweather tonight. Although he was easily the more efficient fighter, it almost seemed like he was playing an NHL-style trap. One punch, roll out........one punch, roll out, etc. Effective, and it obviously won him the fight, but I was kind of bored watching the guy. Too bad, since he seems quick enough and has enough power to be a very exciting guy to watch in the ring. I sure won't be rushing out to watch any of his fights in the future.

Even Oscar mentioned after the fight that if he didn't press the action there wouldn't have been a fight at all. Not far from the truth, IMO.

That being said, Mayweather did deserve to win, I'm still in shock in went to a split decision. Not sure what the one judge was thinking.

Although I was rooting for Oscar (and so was the vast, vast majority at the MGM), it was clear he was a bit too slow, and a bit overpowered by Mayweather. It was great to see him be the more aggressive boxer (by a mile), but he was landing a lot less punches (percentage-wise) and was doing a lot of running around trying to press the action.

The big question tonight will be 'what happened to his left jab'? Fairly effective when he used it, but for some reason he didn't use it near as much as expected. Even he couldn't explain after the fight why he didn't. Kind of strange.

On a side note, I wasn't too impressed with Mayweather after the fight in the ring when he said (I believe 3 different times):

"God is never wrong."

You like god.......we get it. Can't we just talk about the fight?

[Ha Ha Stupid Oilers]

I liked how they commented how MMA was light years away from the skill level in boxing

It goes to show that they're worried about being swallowed up by MMA.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Yeah, on one hand, I agreed with De La Hoya in a way when he said something along the lines of, "if I hadn't been the aggressor tonight, there wouldn't have been a fight". As mentioned already, Mayweather was backing up the entire night... but on the other hand, Mayweather's a smart fighter and in a way, had to fight that way and wait for the chance to counter since he hadn't taken punches of that power before. If he had been the one pursuing De La Hoya, he would have opened himself up most certainly for one of De La Hoya's punches. Definitely not an exciting match, but it was a smart one by Mayweather. I thought De La Hoya could have used his reach advantage a little more by throwing the jab...

Isn't that what is wrong with boxing today? DLH was the champion. Shouldn't the challenger Mayweather have to dictate the fight and TAKE the title away from the champion? DLH dictated the entire pace of the fight. Mayweather took away a title by just punching and running.

That's not right.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Ha Ha Stupid Oilers

I liked how they commented how MMA was light years away from the skill level in boxing

It goes to show that they're worried about being swallowed up by MMA.

What else are you going to say when you just saw a crap fight and millions of future dollars down the drain. I'm still more of a boxing fan than an MMA fan but even I have to admit that MMA is miles ahead now.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Isn't that what is wrong with boxing today? DLH was the champion. Shouldn't the challenger Mayweather have to dictate the fight and TAKE the title away from the champion? DLH dictated the entire pace of the fight. Mayweather took away a title by just punching and running.

That's not right.

Well, hard to say I think. What should be Mayweather's most important goal going into the fight? I'd say, to win.

Remember, Mayweather went up into a heavier weight class for this one, and aside from De La Hoya being the most talented guy he's ever faced, De La Hoya likely threw them down with significantly more power than Mayweather's ever experienced.

So he could have either gone at De La Hoya in an attempt to provide the fans with a show... or be smart, protect his weaknesses and exploit De La Hoya's.

[sadora]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

What else are you going to say when you just saw a crap fight and millions of future dollars down the drain. I'm still more of a boxing fan than an MMA fan but even I have to admit that MMA is miles ahead now.

I like MMA, I am a fan of this to some degree, but that's actually when they stand up and fight. I hate the tactics in this sport. Get on the ground and win with a hold. If they stayed up and actually fought rather than wrestled I would be more a fan of this sport. Really exciting sport, watching two guys on the ground trying to get a good hold of each other. There have some good fights and some exciting fighters in this sport but not enough to convert me. Boxing can still be more exciting IMO.

[Ha Ha Stupid Oilers]

um, how about not mentioning MMA at all and focus what new up and coming fights they would promote?

putting down MMA just make them sound desperate

[Ha Ha Stupid Oilers]

Originally Posted by sadora

I like MMA, I am a fan of this to some degree, but that's actually when they stand up and fight. I hate the tactics in this sport. Get on the ground and win with a hold. If they stayed up and actually fought rather than wrestled I would be more a fan of this sport. Really exciting sport, watching two guys on the ground trying to get a good hold of each other. There have some good fights and some exciting fighters in this sport but not enough to convert me. Boxing can still be more exciting IMO.

perhaps you should watch kickboxing

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Isn't that what is wrong with boxing today? DLH was the champion. Shouldn't the challenger Mayweather have to dictate the fight and TAKE the title away from the champion? DLH dictated the entire pace of the fight. Mayweather took away a title by just punching and running.

That's not right.

Actually Mayweather DID dictate the fight, as he was by far the better puncher as far as % of punches landed. He got inside, threw one or two and got out. Smart on his part.

He simply couldnt stand toe to toe with a guy of DLH's caliber, it would of been suicide.

[The Yen Man]

I agree that Mayweather clearly won the fight, but man the junk that keeps spewing out of his mouth is just makes me hate the guy. There's kocky, and then there's Mayweather kocky. I swear his whole family has an attitude problem, especially Roger Mayweather. What happened to the massacre you promised us Floyd?

[united]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Isn't that what is wrong with boxing today? DLH was the champion. Shouldn't the challenger Mayweather have to dictate the fight and TAKE the title away from the champion? DLH dictated the entire pace of the fight. Mayweather took away a title by just punching and running.

That's not right.

Remember they fought under Oscar's promotion, with Oscar chosen judges, Oscar chosen ref, Oscar chosen weight (Floyd moved up yet again!), Oscar location, Oscar money, and the huge one is Oscar chose the gloves and the ones he chose do not suit Mayweather.
I don't think it should be anyones responsibility to take the title away, Oscar could have sat back but he didn't. That is his fault not Mayweathers imo.

[transplant99]

Oscar chosen ref,

Not true....the judges and referee are under the guise of the local boxing commision, he had zero say in who did the fight nor should he.

And as for location...Mayweathers last 3 fights have been in Vegas.

[sadora]

Originally Posted by Ha Ha Stupid Oilers

perhaps you should watch kickboxing

I do like Kickboxing and Muay Thai as well. One of the best TKO's I've ever seen happened in a Muay Thai fight...guy took a shin kick to the head, recovered for about 10 seconds before his knees just gave out.