Video of UCLA Police

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Jayems

if i ever got tazered, i'd play dead. scare the crap out of the cops... and they'd stop doing it too

That might be really hard to do, but it would be funny to watch.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jayems

if i ever got tazered, i'd play dead. scare the crap out of the cops... and they'd stop doing it too

Actually judging by this video, you'd tazered like 6 more times.

Poor strategy.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Actually judging by this video, you'd tazered like 6 more times.

Poor strategy.

poorly executed strategy. when you want to play dead convincingly, you don't scream and swear at the police.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Obvious case of police overstepping their bounds and the likely route of that is poor training. Just because it happened to a student of middle eastern decent doesn't make this a race issue at least in my mind. If any of the officers said anything regarding him being middle eastern then I would be inclined to believe that there were racial aspects to the use of the Taser, from what I have seen it is more a case of an overbearing police officer.

There have been a few studies done where it shows that once you provide the non-lethal force the use of said force increases exponentially. Not to do with race but rather to do with the fact that the ability to use the weapon is present.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Last time I looked the cops aren't the boss, they're public servants. This cop attitude of us against them is what's causing a lot of the problems where the general public no longer trusts the police.

I agree. Like I said...if these officers were given the proper training, I doubt this would have happened. If they did receive it...then that is even worse. From what I saw, they had the dude handcuffed by the time they zapped him the first time. Once the prick is hadcuffed, all they needed to do was each grap an arm and a leg and haul his ass out. If he started to kick....put some cuffs on his legs.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

sounded like he was a bit more then just disobediant... probably juiced up on something.

Like what? Electricity?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Obvious case of police overstepping their bounds and the likely route of that is poor training. Just because it happened to a student of middle eastern decent doesn't make this a race issue at least in my mind. If any of the officers said anything regarding him being middle eastern then I would be inclined to believe that there were racial aspects to the use of the Taser, from what I have seen it is more a case of an overbearing police officer.

There have been a few studies done where it shows that once you provide the non-lethal force the use of said force increases exponentially. Not to do with race but rather to do with the fact that the ability to use the weapon is present.

Valid point, but if it was a white student, do you think the same amount of force would've been used? Hard to say for sure, but I'm thinking no.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Valid point, but if it was a white student, do you think the same amount of force would've been used? Hard to say for sure, but I'm thinking no.

I would say yes.....and you have no proof to think otherwise.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Valid point, but if it was a white student, do you think the same amount of force would've been used? Hard to say for sure, but I'm thinking no.

ok from what i can see from the cops, the two that are handling him directly are black and mexican(i think). the one standing back is white. so (if this was racially motivated) this would be minorities racially discriminating against a different minority - i don't see why they'd treat a white kid any better.... unless everyone hates browns that much more than every other race.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

ok from what i can see from the cops, the two that are handling him directly are black and mexican(i think). the one standing back is white. so (if this was racially motivated) this would be minorities racially discriminating against a different minority - i don't see why they'd treat a white kid any better.... unless everyone hates browns that much more than every other race.

I'd think one of the bonuses for minorities joining the police force is that they would no longer be a racial minority they'd be part of the groupthink known as cops and as such would be just as capable of racial profiling as any white policeman.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

ok from what i can see from the cops, the two that are handling him directly are black and mexican(i think). the one standing back is white. so (if this was racially motivated) this would be minorities racially discriminating against a different minority - i don't see why they'd treat a white kid any better.... unless everyone hates browns that much more than every other race.

Given the tone of the political climate in the US towards muslims, I wouldn't rule that out. People are probably generally viewing muslims/brown skinned people as a higher risk when it comes to security.

It might not be as outwardly obvious as other forms of racism, but it could have been a factor.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I think there's 2 seperate issues here that are clouding the judgment of each other.
1)Was the force used excessive. I don't think you could argue it any other way.(But some people think he should have been shot, so maybe you can )
2)Was he targeted because of his race?

It seems a lot of people are trying to justify 1 because they don't think number 2.

Reguardless of whether there is anything racial here at all, there is clearly excessive use of police force.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Igottago

There is no logical explanation for that level of abuse. And i'm going to call out all the people in this thread who think there is. You are bigots, and blinded by your own prejudices. Anyone who watched the video can clearly tell that it is an abuse of power. There is no reasonable explantation for what the cops did to that kid. You might as well admit it, you think he deserves it because he's one of "them". If you're going to be ignorant, at least come out and admit it. (edit: not directed at you Crazy Flamer, just building from your post).

Thanks for labeling me a bigot, but I have spent the past 18 months working without trouble in the Middle East, have made numerous middle eastern friends, travelled with many Arab people on planes so the whole Arabs are terrorist things has kind of warn off on me.

The main focus of my view that he deserved it is the fact that he acted like a jerk when asked to do a perfectly normal and reasonalbe action.

If he felt that he was being targeted then show the ID and complain after. If he had a legitimate reason to be there and was doing nothing wrong then by complying he illustrates the wrongness of the police targeting him. Instead he showed what a jackass he is and what he thinks of respecting the law and the cops.

Maybe they didn't need to taser him five times as you say when on the ground but they wouldn't have needed to taser him at all if he had just obeyed the law and shown them his ID.

[StoneCole]

Originally Posted by Crazy Flamer

Im assuming both the lawyer and wintesses are correct.

You mean the lawyer that lives in New York, but works in L.A.?

...he "commutes".

I'm pretty sure he's not in it for the money.

Here's a thought: did the kid racially profile the cops by assuming that the cops were racially profiling him? (please don't jump all over me...don't assume I'm saying that the cops didn't go to far...don't assume that I'm saying that without a doubt the cops did not profile him...I'm just giving you all something else to think about)

[jolinar of malkshor]

Now this guy deserved to be tasered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44uAu3VNxc4

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by moon

Thanks for labeling me a bigot, but I have spent the past 18 months working without trouble in the Middle East, have made numerous middle eastern friends, travelled with many Arab people on planes so the whole Arabs are terrorist things has kind of warn off on me.

The main focus of my view that he deserved it is the fact that he acted like a jerk when asked to do a perfectly normal and reasonalbe action.

If he felt that he was being targeted then show the ID and complain after. If he had a legitimate reason to be there and was doing nothing wrong then by complying he illustrates the wrongness of the police targeting him. Instead he showed what a jackass he is and what he thinks of respecting the law and the cops.

Maybe they didn't need to taser him five times as you say when on the ground but they wouldn't have needed to taser him at all if he had just obeyed the law and shown them his ID.

I still don't get how you can justify that level of force. Okay, i'll give you the point that he should've just showed his ID. But he didn't. So that means the next logical step for the police is to restrain him and taser the crap out of him for a while? The punishment didn't fit the crime, period. Being a "jackass" as you put it, shouldn't be grounds for being subjected to excessive force like that.