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Gravitykillr · 11-16-2006, 08:45 PM

Is Catalonotto not a free agent himself? I thought I remember reading somewhere that he was. I'm thinking signing Thomas is just a push get Wells to sign on for a few more years, especially if they can get a guy like Mulder to sign as well.

flambers · 11-17-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gravitykillr

Is Catalonotto not a free agent himself? I thought I remember reading somewhere that he was. I'm thinking signing Thomas is just a push get Wells to sign on for a few more years, especially if they can get a guy like Mulder to sign as well.

Catalonotto is a free agent allong with both of the Catchers and Lilly and Spier. I would guess all of them are gone with the possible exception to Greg Zaun.

As for the signing, I really like it. Thomas had a great year last year if he can stay healthy this bat makes the Jays line-up quite dangerous.

As for Wells, in my opinion if he will not sign with the Jays in the off season JP has to trade the guy. He can not afford to lose him for nothing or a conditional pick i guess. I personally believe Wells will not sign and he will be traded. The trade will be similiar to the Shefield trade (i.e. Young pitchers and a player).

flambers · 11-17-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by goodyear

why should they sign thomas instead of wells?

vernon wells along with doc is the franchise...fans can identify with these guys

wells is not even 30 yet and still has lots of baseball in him...forget the big hurt, sign the franchise...pay him beltran type money

Wells wants a massive contract...i.e. over 20 million a year for a bunch of years (IMO). Plus the rumours last season were he did not want to sign with the Jays and was looking to sign with a team closer to his home (Texas).

flambers · 11-17-2006, 11:42 AM

As for his stats. Here is the link.

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/teams/players/...00&hubname=mlb

2006

Frank Thomas

Hit: 126
2B: 11
HR: 39
RBI: 114
AVG: 270

KTown · 11-17-2006, 12:02 PM

This is sad

That's way too much to spend on a 38 year old.

Pagal4321 · 11-17-2006, 12:49 PM

Well the Thomas signing is VERY risky, but they need to be able to maintain that slugging presence in the middle of the order. I think it's WAY too much money, but then again, I'm not used to baseball contracts.

IMO, Wells is all but gone, he does not want to resign in Toronto and that's no secret. It would be great if he did sign an extension in Toronto because him and Doc are definately the faces of this franchise. I love the guy, but he is going to get traded during the season.

Jiggy_12 · 11-17-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pagal4321

IMO, Wells is all but gone, he does not want to resign in Toronto and that's no secret.

This is what I don't understand. I too have heard from people that he doesn't want to stay in Toronto...but where is the source for this? Where is this coming from?

Wells and JP have both denied this when asked about it.

KootenayFlamesFan · 11-17-2006, 06:11 PM

The more I think of this signing, the more I like it......as long as he stays healthy.

Having a 2-6 order with guys like Rios, Wells, Thomas, Glaus and Overbay is pretty darn good. Massive upgrade in the DH spot over the combo of Hillenbrand/Zaun/Molina or whoever else was in that spot in any given night.

flambers · 11-17-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

This is what I don't understand. I too have heard from people that he doesn't want to stay in Toronto...but where is the source for this? Where is this coming from?

Wells and JP have both denied this when asked about it.

There is no source we all read the reports last season that said Wells will not re-sign with the Jays. Of course JP and Wells have denied all talk about it and they will until he is either traded or signed. Until then the rumours will continue.

IMO, if he does not sign this offseason he needs to be traded.

KootenayFlamesFan · 11-17-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

IMO, if he does not sign this offseason he needs to be traded.

Yep, the Jays can't afford to let a massive asset like him walk for nothing next year. Sign him now, or trade him in the very near future.

Would love to see him stay, but I think he's gone.

Jiggy_12 · 11-17-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

IMO, if he does not sign this offseason he needs to be traded.

There's 2 ways of looking at it.

1) If he plays next season without a contract extension, he walks away and we lose him for nothing.

2) The Jays need to decide if next season is the season to make some noise. If it is, having Wells in the lineup is better than any alternative.

KootenayFlamesFan · 11-17-2006, 08:58 PM

Well, it's 'officially' official.

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASA...=.jsp&c_id=tor

Flames in 07 · 11-19-2006, 12:53 PM

One reason you don't shop wells now is that you have him in a contract year and if the team does well you have a gold glove CF who not only is playing for W's, but his next contract as well ... so you don't get "nothing" if he plays the entire year in TO.

flambers · 11-19-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

One reason you don't shop wells now is that you have him in a contract year and if the team does well you have a gold glove CF who not only is playing for W's, but his next contract as well ... so you don't get "nothing" if he plays the entire year in TO.

If Wells goes into his final year without an extension the Jays will get nothing for him.......or to clarify a conditional pick IMO when he signs as a UFA .....

The Jays need to work hard to sign him in the offseason or trade the guy.

Flames in 07 · 11-19-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

If Wells goes into his final year without an extension the Jays will get nothing for him.......or to clarify a conditional pick IMO when he signs as a UFA .....

The Jays need to work hard to sign him in the offseason or trade the guy.

Well, if by nothing you mean the best year in VWells career your right, the Jays get nothing.

If he doesn't sign, keep him and if at some point the Jays are out of it, then deal him away, but you don't just throw away a gold glover in a contact year ... espiecally if this turns out to be a playoff year.

flambers · 11-20-2006, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Well, if by nothing you mean the best year in VWells career your right, the Jays get nothing.

If he doesn't sign, keep him and if at some point the Jays are out of it, then deal him away, but you don't just throw away a gold glover in a contact year ... espiecally if this turns out to be a playoff year.

Clearly the return will be very low if they hold onto to the deadline. The other teams will not trade a large package deal for a pending UFA (IMO). To hold onto him and not sign him is a huge risk.

If the Jays do that and lose Wells JP should be fired.

Flames in 07 · 11-20-2006, 07:03 AM

no you won't get much, but the propect of having VWells on a team that is a playoff team is worth more than anything you can get right now.

flambers · 11-20-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

no you won't get much, but the propect of having VWells on a team that is a playoff team is worth more than anything you can get right now.

The Jays don't have the money to build like the Yankees they need to be careful. I don't think the Jays can afford to lose a star player to UFA status.

However, I am still hoping Wells will sign this winter.

Sylvanfan · 11-20-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by flambers

The Jays don't have the money to build like the Yankees they need to be careful. I don't think the Jays can afford to lose a star player to UFA status.

However, I am still hoping Wells will sign this winter.

The problem with a Wells trade is that there is a limited number of teams who will be interested in him due to what his salary will be. If the package from the Red Sox mentioned above is all you can get for Wells, than I almost think you keep him for the upcoming season and than use the 16 million you were planning to pay him to go out and look for a free agent, or to make trades to bring in a replacement.

Of course the downside is that Wells not having a contract for the next year leads to a lot of trade rumors, and distractions in the club house. Trading him for whatever you can get now doesn't always work either. Remember the Shawn Green for Raul Mondesi trade? Jays took a downgraded player who still had an albatross of a contract.

flambers · 11-20-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The problem with a Wells trade is that there is a limited number of teams who will be interested in him due to what his salary will be. If the package from the Red Sox mentioned above is all you can get for Wells, than I almost think you keep him for the upcoming season and than use the 16 million you were planning to pay him to go out and look for a free agent, or to make trades to bring in a replacement.

Of course the downside is that Wells not having a contract for the next year leads to a lot of trade rumors, and distractions in the club house. Trading him for whatever you can get now doesn't always work either. Remember the Shawn Green for Raul Mondesi trade? Jays took a downgraded player who still had an albatross of a contract.

As for a trade with Wells, I believe there is allot more than a couple of teams that would be interested. As for the Green example that is the type of return the Jays can expect if they wait till the deadline of his final season IMO. I believe if a trade happened it would be similiar to the Shefield trade (i.e. some Pitching Blue Chippers and Roster player).

However it will be really interesting to see how this plays out.