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Flames in 07 · 10-25-2006, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

No harm in trying, but I can't see them garnering a very dedicated support base in some of those markets. London/Manchester are already nuts about football. Just not the kind of football the NFL is. The hardcore and passing sports fan over there already have their interests, and I think most hardcore soccer or rugby fans over there would not only not enjoy the NFL, they would downright make fun of it. The "we already have real football" and "its like rugby for women because of the padding" comments would run rampant. I think lots of people would just view it as some sort of American infringement on their traditional sports market. Just look at the outrage when an American was buying the majority share of Man United.

The point of this is not to expand teams into Toronto, London or Mexico City ... well, maybe one day Mex City, but it is really all about awareness, and maybe in the long run pave the way for NFL europe to be more global. But the NFL as we know it will not change, they won't be outside the US (AAA farm teams notwithstanding) and even if they did, there is probably 2 or 3 cities in Mexico they would be in before Toronto.

kipperfan · 10-25-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

thats fine, just want to point out that canadians INTRODUCED football/rugby rules to americans when they came to mcgill in the late 1800s and liked the game more then soccer and started playing it. also the nfl changed its rules a little in the 90s when it saw the faster pace of the canadian style of football. kicking is an important part of the game(1/3 of the game) in the nfl kicking isnt exciting becuase of the fair catch and the fact that a missed field goal is ruled dead(tho special teams hasnt been quite as exciting this season in the cfl). in the cfl there is the opporunity to return kicks and the single point encourages returns instead of taking a knee. the cfl didnt change rules to make it more exciting and adjust to the type of players it had, the players that are succesful in our league come and play well becuase they fit the nature of our game. IMO the running game in the nfl is not exciting(and usually if see nfl highlights the passes are highlighted, or pass and runs, not the run-run-run-run-pass-run punt style offensive schemes. and yes i do find the new nhl more exciting then the old(and not becuase of the shootout), i like seeing a team like buffalo do so well and new jersey not do so well. the new vs old nhl is somewhat a fair analogy

Fair enough, I cant say that I knew that about Canadians introducing Football to the Americans.

It is a pointless debate, all about personal choice...for me NFL and old NHL for you CFL and new NHL....its all good.

Igottago · 10-25-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

No but many, many thousand thought it was appropriate to boo 17 old americans ... think that would happen here or anywhere else?

Didn't canadian fans boo the American team that was playing Russia at one of the games in the world cup that was in Ontario? I think I remember Don Cherry crying about that at some point.

And didn't fans in San Jose or something boo the Canadian anthem in last years playoffs?? So Californians generally hate Canadians then?

Don't buy into stereotypes man. Makes you look bad.

kipperfan · 10-25-2006, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

Didn't canadian fans boo the American team that was playing Russia at one of the games in the world cup that was in Ontario? I think I remember Don Cherry crying about that at some point.

And didn't fans in San Jose or something boo the Canadian anthem in last years playoffs?? So Californians generally hate Canadians then?

Don't buy into stereotypes man. Makes you look bad.

I would boo a US national team. If there was a World Cup esqu game in Calgary I would probably boo the US anthem as well. Call me un-classy or whatever I dont mind, I would still do it.

Flames in 07 · 10-25-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

Didn't canadian fans boo the American team that was playing Russia at one of the games in the world cup that was in Ontario? I think I remember Don Cherry crying about that at some point.

And didn't fans in San Jose or something boo the Canadian anthem in last years playoffs?? So Californians generally hate Canadians then?

Don't buy into stereotypes man. Makes you look bad.

Stereotypes ... it's demonstrated fact.

It doesn't suggest all people from Vancouver hate the US, but certianly enough to gather a criticalmass at a junior hockey game. I know it's happened in other places, San Jose in retaliation to it hapening in Canada, Detroit as a response to Toronto ... and vice versa.

But proudly, not in Calgary.

Flames in 07 · 10-25-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kipperfan

I would boo a US national team. If there was a World Cup esqu game in Calgary I would probably boo the US anthem as well. Call me un-classy or whatever I dont mind, I would still do it.

OK Unclassy.

Booing an anthem. For all the reasons we look down our nose at the US we can sure hold our own when it comes to ignorance.

kipperfan · 10-25-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

OK Unclassy.

Booing an anthem. For all the reasons we look down our nose at the US we can sure hold our own when it comes to ignorance.

Yeah whatever. I would probably boo the Russian anthem too. When I go to a game I have no intention or desire to be at all classy. If NHL teams had anthems I would boo every single teams anthem other then our boys of course.

Flames in 07 · 10-25-2006, 09:35 PM

NHL team anthems and country anthems are different. Booing anthems is just straight ignorant.

kipperfan · 10-25-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

NHL team anthems and country anthems are different. Booing anthems is just straight ignorant.

Thats your oppinion. Dont become all holier then thou on me. You do what you want and I will do what I want.

Flames in 07 · 10-25-2006, 09:56 PM

I'm proud that I'm above booing anthems. You may find people who value things like respect may tend to be a little holier then thou.

We'd say 'typical american' if they did it ... somehow it's ok when you do it?

kipperfan · 10-25-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I'm proud that I'm above booing anthems. You may find people who value things like respect may tend to be a little holier then thou.

We'd say 'typical american' if they did it ... somehow it's ok when you do it?

Hey bud I am a grown man and I will boo who and what I want. You might say typical Americans, but I wouldnt so dont say "we".

You can give me your little song and dance of how proud of yourself you are but I will tell you it doesnt mean sweet tweet to me. I could care less how you view yourself. I can tell you where my values lie, with my family, my child and my parents and booing a national anthem at a hockey game makes no difference on the kind of person I am, so let this argument go, you will not win, its matter of opinion I have heard yours and you have heard mine, leave it at that.

Flames in 07 · 10-25-2006, 10:05 PM

It's not a matter of winning or losing I don't suspect that we could every convince each other of much, just sad to see things like how disrespectful people are becomming.

That's great to hear about your house, but the planet is a little bigger than that.

Vulcan · 10-25-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Stereotypes ... it's demonstrated fact.

It doesn't suggest all people from Vancouver hate the US, but certianly enough to gather a criticalmass at a junior hockey game. I know it's happened in other places, San Jose in retaliation to it hapening in Canada, Detroit as a response to Toronto ... and vice versa.

But proudly, not in Calgary.

I guess you've never been to a Hitman game. They'll gladly boo 17 year old kids playing for Lethbridge or Medicine Hat. I guess everybody in Calgary hates Lethbridgians and Medicine Mad Hatters, eh. Give your head a shake and if that don't work, run it into a wall.

kipperfan · 10-25-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

It's not a matter of winning or losing I don't suspect that we could every convince each other of much, just sad to see things like how disrespectful people are becomming.

That's great to hear about your house, but the planet is a little bigger than that.

Thanks bucko. Are we done lecture time now? Is the next leason lesson on how I am a bad person because i dont attend church?

Get over yourself buddy. It is a friggen GAME, boo'ing a national anthem is nothing to get your panties in a knot over. That being said clearly your panties are knotted, so lets agree to disagree.

Flames in 07 · 10-25-2006, 10:11 PM

Sorry which anthem was booed at the Hitmen game?

Give your head a shake, learn to read, read the thread then run into a wall ... actually save the wall, don't do the last part.

Vulcan · 10-25-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

Sorry which anthem was booed at the Hitmen game?

Give your head a shake, learn to read, read the thread then run into a wall ... actually save the wall, don't do the last part.

Me learn to read? Nothing in your post that I replied to or mine mentions an anthem. I was sticking to the topic of you being outraged that the American team was booed and you don't have a leg to stand on.
Man, why do I bother.

Flames in 07 · 10-26-2006, 06:58 AM

The whole thing started with Vancouver fans booing the US anthem. read the thread, not just the one post you decided to cherry pick.

Vulcan · 10-26-2006, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames in 07

No but many, many thousand thought it was appropriate to boo 17 old americans ... think that would happen here or anywhere else?

It started out with your potshot about "booing 17 old Americans".

FlamingLonghorn · 10-26-2006, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

No harm in trying, but I can't see them garnering a very dedicated support base in some of those markets. London/Manchester are already nuts about football. Just not the kind of football the NFL is. The hardcore and passing sports fan over there already have their interests, and I think most hardcore soccer or rugby fans over there would not only not enjoy the NFL, they would downright make fun of it. The "we already have real football" and "its like rugby for women because of the padding" comments would run rampant. I think lots of people would just view it as some sort of American infringement on their traditional sports market. Just look at the outrage when an American was buying the majority share of Man United.

It's funny that the English would say "it's like rugby for women" when their football team plays like a bunch of women...

Frank the Tank · 10-26-2006, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kipperfan

I would boo a US national team. If there was a World Cup esqu game in Calgary I would probably boo the US anthem as well. Call me un-classy or whatever I dont mind, I would still do it.

You're giving Canadians as a whole a bad name by booing any national anthem. Seeing as you are a proud Canadian, why would you want to do that?