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I-Hate-Hulse · 10-23-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

These guys are willing to risk disease, public humiliation, arrest and getting beat up by some pimp anytime they go out and do this. If they aren't deterred already, I don't see this doing it.

Oh, I'm not saying they won't continue to feed the ferret...only that they're now more likely to dial an escort than take the family minivan and circle the block for 3 hours.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-23-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

Well, that would be the same if they were setting up speed traps on a privately owned road; and if the owner of the road was charging men $100 to drive down that road however they pleased.

The fact is speeding on public roads can be detrimental to public safety. I just don't see how a guy looking for consentual sex is anywhere near as bad.

WHAT???

Holy cow....A guy speeding is worse than some loser who cannot get laid and has to cruise the streets to pick up underage girls.

Right buddy...get a grip.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-23-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OilersBaby

this is just going to encourage john's to steal other people's cars and then solicit prostitutes. what a ridiculous suggestion to try to fix the problem.

Are you serious??

A lot of these "Johns" are well established people. NOT people whoare willing to go and steal a vehicle. You are way off on this one.

White Doors · 10-23-2006, 06:01 PM

Being horny has no class implications.

calculoso · 10-23-2006, 06:38 PM

I don't get all the support for the "Johns"...

IMO, Prostitution is not something that should be condoned or looked favorably upon. It should be something that is deterred and/or prevented.

Heard this morning that this has lowered John rates by (hope this number is right) 80% in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

Sounds good to me!

brownie · 10-23-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by calculoso

I don't get all the support for the "Johns"...

IMO, Prostitution is not something that should be condoned or looked favorably upon. It should be something that is deterred and/or prevented.

Heard this morning that this has lowered John rates by (hope this number is right) 80% in Saskatchewan and Manitoba.

Sounds good to me!

80% off in Saskatchewan and Manitoba....what a deal,can't even get a deal here on your Birthday.

FlamesAddiction · 10-23-2006, 07:16 PM

It would be a good punishment for drinking and driving.

As for the issue of prostitution, I think street prostitution should be illegal as it is a hot spot for disease propagation, and violent crime. I think our government should be doing whatever they can do to rid our cities of it. The whole car thing is ridiculous though.

However, I don't think all prostitution should be illegal, but there should be designated places for it, and some type of control.

jolinar of malkshor · 10-23-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It would be a good punishment for drinking and driving.

As for the issue of prostitution, I think street prostitution should be illegal as it is a hot spot for disease propagation, and violent crime. I think our government should be doing whatever they can do to rid our cities of it. The whole car thing is ridiculous though.

However, I don't think all prostitution should be illegal, but there should be designated places for it, and some type of control.

Why? If people lose their car just once, the chances of them going back down there are slimto none. Programs in Winnipeg and Quebec have shown this works.

FireFly · 10-23-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fredr123

In our modern society, if there was ever a segment of our working class that would benefit from the introduction of unionization it's probably the prostitute.

Um, no. Why you ask? Because if I have more skills than Bertha, I'm going to demand a higher price. And what kind of union is going to measure that?

FireFly · 10-23-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

These guys are willing to risk disease, public humiliation, arrest and getting beat up by some pimp anytime they go out and do this. If they aren't deterred already, I don't see this doing it.

Perhaps more importantly are the john's wives who are now aware of their husbands indiscretions and can get a STD test and divorce in that order. It's not like a John is going to admit it to his wife otherwise.

Looger · 10-23-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Um, no. Why you ask? Because if I have more skills than Bertha, I'm going to demand a higher price. And what kind of union is going to measure that?

sounds right up the alley of every high-level union rep i've ever met.

Calgaryborn · 10-23-2006, 08:18 PM

Wow what a lot of posts to go through. Personally I like the law. The reason you find most teenage prostitutes on the streets is because their handlers have a much higher percentage of getting busted if they operated under an escort service or brothel. On the street they can just hide in the back ground and rake in the money. There will be less teenage prostitution with this law. If I was a Pimp who specialized in marketing teens I would move to Vancouver.

calculoso · 10-23-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It would be a good punishment for drinking and driving.

And already is...

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

As for the issue of prostitution, I think street prostitution should be illegal as it is a hot spot for disease propagation, and violent crime. I think our government should be doing whatever they can do to rid our cities of it. The whole car thing is ridiculous though.

No demand and there would be no more prostitution.

FlamesAddiction · 10-23-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Why? If people lose their car just once, the chances of them going back down there are slimto none. Programs in Winnipeg and Quebec have shown this works.

Why not have their dog put down, or take away their house? They would likely have the same effect.

It's a punishment that does not suit the crime, not to mention that it cannot be applied fairly since not everyone owns a car.

ken0042 · 10-23-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

WHAT???

Holy cow....A guy speeding is worse than some loser who cannot get laid and has to cruise the streets to pick up underage girls.

Right buddy...get a grip.

Who said anything about underage girls? I'm talking about sex between consenting adults, not kids.

Plus I was trying to put a skewed analogy further into perspective, if you would care to read my post again.

ken0042 · 10-23-2006, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's a punishment that does not suit the crime, not to mention that it cannot be applied fairly since not everyone owns a car.

Well said. And to add to that; what if I'm driving a '73 Chevy Nova and another guy is driving a new Lexus? How is that fair?

Thunderball · 10-23-2006, 10:02 PM

I really am shocked by all the opposition to this move, especially when people say that prostitution is the oldest occupation, so why bother trying to stop it. Good thing society didn't think so rigidly when it came to slave masters and gladiators.

Plus, studies have shown legalized prostitution is a failure in Amsterdam, and Sask and Manitoba have had success.

If you don't want to lose your car, don't do it.

fredr123 · 10-23-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Um, no. Why you ask? Because if I have more skills than Bertha, I'm going to demand a higher price. And what kind of union is going to measure that?

I have no idea what you're getting at there. Maybe you can explain it to me another way.

Unions were born in an environment where the workers experienced horrendous working conditions and were horribly exploited by their employers. The conditions downtown aren't exaclty plush and the cut a lot of handlers or pimps take are all exploitive. If a union was interested in improving working conditions and making things cleaner and healthier then all the power to them. Again, not really condoning this but thought I'd throw it out there.

Thunderball · 10-23-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fredr123

I have no idea what you're getting at there. Maybe you can explain it to me another way.

Unions were born in an environment where the workers experienced horrendous working conditions and were horribly exploited by their employers. The conditions downtown aren't exaclty plush and the cut a lot of handlers or pimps take are all exploitive. If a union was interested in improving working conditions and making things cleaner and healthier then all the power to them. Again, not really condoning this but thought I'd throw it out there.

I think what she's getting at is unions are driven by ensuring the highest standards and levels of pay for all of its members... but this also means ample room for improvement. Traditionally, unions have done this by ensuring more money for seniority, certifications, etc. How would one determine skill and seniority in prostitution?

fredr123 · 10-23-2006, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunderball

I think what she's getting at is unions are driven by ensuring the highest standards and levels of pay for all of its members... but this also means ample room for improvement. Traditionally, unions have done this by ensuring more money for seniority, certifications, etc. How would one determine skill and seniority in prostitution?

I apologize for derailing this discussion with a union rant, but it is hardly the case that unions ensure those with more skill and certification get more money. I've worked closely in a number of union situations. My wife has struggled in a unionized workplace. It's been my experience that unions aren't typically interested in getting the best wages for the best workers. They are, on the other hand, more concerned with making sure that the lowest common denominator is well cared for.

In a lot of unionized workplaces the best workers could, theoretically, do better for themselves in a free market situation where they can be compensated comensurate with their skills. The poorest workers, however, would do much worse without the union safety net.