Animal Cruelty in Didsbury

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Yeah it's gross, but aren't you going a little bit over the top if you say you'd want to put that person in a wheelchair, or bring the death penalty back for them? I mean, it IS just a dog.

It doesn't matter what IT is. Its the act that is despicable. And if you for even one second can think of defending it, then you can be lumped into the same piece of **** category as these guys.

If they're capable of this, how far off are they from doing this to humans?

[gordonski]

These kind of miscreants deserve to be remembered for the stunt they pulled for the rest of their lives. The identity of the underage little creep will be revealed soon enough, and he can be reviled by the public as well. One fellow made the unfortunate mistake of threatening the two torturers, and it was pointed out that he could face a bigger penalty than they will. Don't forget, many murderers study and perfect their "craft" on defenceless animals.

[Engine09]

White Doors, settle down. No one is trying to be perfect, some of us just make an effort to reduce the impact we have on animals. I wear Vans skate shoes, Jeff Rowley designs a few different pairs that are synthetic. When I get my hockey gloves redone I opt for the synthetic material instead of lether, little stuff like that.



Anyways, I wonder how we can get our names on this petition?



Petition Demands Tougher Sentences For Animal Abusers
Oct, 15 2006 - 11:10 PM



CALGARY/AM770CHQR - A petition is circulating in Didsbury demanding tougher sentences and fines for people who abuse animals.
The town was the site of that horrific dog abuse case where a family pet was beaten and left for dead on a road by two males.
R.J Bailot, with the animal group Compassion in Action is supporting the petition because he says more has to be done to protect animals.
Bailot says the case is quite alarming because studies have shown that most people who abuse animals will also abuse humans.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Kryzsky

White Doors, settle down. No one is trying to be perfect, some of us just make an effort to reduce the impact we have on animals. I wear Vans skate shoes, Jeff Rowley designs a few different pairs that are synthetic. When I get my hockey gloves redone I opt for the synthetic material instead of lether, little stuff like that.



Anyways, I wonder how we can get our names on this petition?



Petition Demands Tougher Sentences For Animal Abusers
Oct, 15 2006 - 11:10 PM



CALGARY/AM770CHQR - A petition is circulating in Didsbury demanding tougher sentences and fines for people who abuse animals.
The town was the site of that horrific dog abuse case where a family pet was beaten and left for dead on a road by two males.
R.J Bailot, with the animal group Compassion in Action is supporting the petition because he says more has to be done to protect animals.
Bailot says the case is quite alarming because studies have shown that most people who abuse animals will also abuse humans.

What do you think is an appropriate sentence?

[PYroMaNiaC]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

What do you think is an appropriate sentence?

These people need serious psychiatric treatment. How effective are jails at providing that?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by PYroMaNiaC

These people need serious psychiatric treatment. How effective are jails at providing that?

Well I am not sure if you think that I am advocating for longer prison sentences.....

As far as I am concerned, unless these people have treatable disorders such as schizophrenia, these people cannot be changed. People who are psychopathic or have anit-social disorders are lost causes (in a lot of cases). These people are hard wired and cannot be treated only managed in a very structured setting. No jail time will fix them.


However, it was interesting to know (can't remember the exact %) I learned in my forensic psyc class that a there are quite a few of people in society that have minor anti-social/personality disorders. Nothing enough to go off the deep end but enough to think twice about how many people are out there that feel little or no compassion for others.

[PYroMaNiaC]

Actually, I was just asking. I don't know enough about our penal system to have an accurate answer.

My first instinct though, is that a longer jail sentence will not fix their tendancy to hurt animals. It will only remove the problem temporarily.

I don't want to come across as a bleeding heart either. I'd like them to have a longer sentence because this bothers me so much, but, in reality do people even serve the full 6 months? Does the system have programs designed to help, or does prison make people angrier than when they went in?

If prison won't help them, and psychiatric help won't fix them, what's the solution? Or are we looking at the beginning of a lifetime of in and out of jail, with each subsequent act even more depraved?

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Dogs have been domesticated for that purpose. Otherwise, they'd still be wolves preying on humans

Please don't propagate the big, bad wolf stereotype. Wolf attacks are very very rare, generally provoked, and almost never fatal. Dog attacks are a much bigger problem.

As for how people like this should be punished...I don't think there is anything we can do that will change who they are. The only justice I can think of would be poetic justice, in which the dog wins the next round.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Superfraggle

Please don't propagate the big, bad wolf stereotype. Wolf attacks are very very rare, generally provoked, and almost never fatal. Dog attacks are a much bigger problem.

Not doing that whatsoever. Wolves are as noble as any other creature.

My point was that in their domestication to dogs, they are exploited by man. Much the same as any other wild creature (such as livestock).

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Not doing that whatsoever. Wolves are as noble as any other creature.

My point was that in their domestication to dogs, they are exploited by man. Much the same as any other wild creature (such as livestock).

Fair enough. Good point. It was just the part I quoted that I had an issue with.

[Devils'Advocate]

(1) The animal cruelty laws *NEED* to be tougher. I heard about these cases often enough and each time it just sickens me to death. And the stupid thing is that people are taught that society just doesn't take this crime seriously and the criminals just escalate their attacks.

(2) I think vegetarianism and torture of animals are different topics altogether as much as torturing human beings and cannibalism are separate subjects. The natives of the pacific islands were not people who tortured someone to appease their sadistic need to see someone cry in pain. The motives are completely different.

(3) But since it was brought up.... I too am a vegetarian, but not vegan. I own nothing leather. However, the anti-AR people are always looking for the vegetarians wearing leather sneakers which really makes no sense to me whatsoever. If Tom recycles his aluminum cans, glass, plastic bottles and paperboard but not his milk cartons does Bob who recycles nothing have any credibility in pointing out Toms hypocrisy? If you have taken steps in your life to reduce the suffering of animals (including humans) - any steps whatsoever - you deserve to be commended, not chastized.

[jolinar of malkshor]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

(1) The animal cruelty laws *NEED* to be tougher. I heard about these cases often enough and each time it just sickens me to death. And the stupid thing is that people are taught that society just doesn't take this crime seriously and the criminals just escalate their attacks.

There has been a bill on the table for years but...just before it was to be passed in parlament, old Jean called a early election. Then when it was brought back up in 2003 the Liberal majority Senate decided to kill the bill by not acting on it and waiting till Martin was overthrown.

I have no problem with toughening laws for crap like this...but when we can't even get it right for humans I don't think we should have stiffer penalties for killing an animal over a human.

(2) I think vegetarianism and torture of animals are different topics altogether as much as torturing human beings and cannibalism are separate subjects. The natives of the pacific islands were not people who tortured someone to appease their sadistic need to see someone cry in pain. The motives are completely different.

Did I miss something? Was that actually brought up?

(3) But since it was brought up.... I too am a vegetarian, but not vegan. I own nothing leather. However, the anti-AR people are always looking for the vegetarians wearing leather sneakers which really makes no sense to me whatsoever. If Tom recycles his aluminum cans, glass, plastic bottles and paperboard but not his milk cartons does Bob who recycles nothing have any credibility in pointing out Toms hypocrisy? If you have taken steps in your life to reduce the suffering of animals (including humans) - any steps whatsoever - you deserve to be commended, not chastized.

Everyone should be allow to follow their own beliefs....but I think there are just as many "Vegans" (or what ever they are called) that push their beliefs on the carnivores...as there are the other way.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Everyone should be allow to follow their own beliefs....but I think there are just as many "Vegans" (or what ever they are called) that push their beliefs on the carnivores...as there are the other way.

Well in defense of those people who push their Vegan beliefs on other people. They believe that killing an animal for food is equal to killing a human, to them it's murder, if you thought people were committing murder you would be trying to stop them too...

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Well in defense of those people who push their Vegan beliefs on other people. They believe that killing an animal for food is equal to killing a human, to them it's murder, if you thought people were committing murder you would be trying to stop them too...

Ya...well by the same token....I don't think animals lives are anywhere near that of a human and killing a cow for food is no different than eating a carot or potato....

That arguement just doesn't fly as far as I am concerned. The point is I could care less of what they believe in but don't turn around and say "since I think killing animals is the same as killing a human, I have a right to try and stop you from eating meat but where do you get off telling me I am wrong."

You can't say "leave the Vegans alone" and then say "well they have a more legitimate arguement than you so they can push their beliefs on you more than you can push on them".

IMO the problems with a lot of the world today is people worrying to much about other people when really it is non of their business.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ya...well by the same token....I don't think animals lives are anywhere near that of a human and killing a cow for food is no different than eating a carot or potato....

That arguement just doesn't fly as far as I am concerned. The point is I could care less of what they believe in but don't turn around and say "since I think killing animals is the same as killing a human, I have a right to try and stop you from eating meat but where do you get off telling me I am wrong."

You can't say "leave the Vegans alone" and then say "well they have a more legitimate arguement than you so they can push their beliefs on you more than you can push on them".

IMO the problems with a lot of the world today is people worrying to much about other people when really it is non of their business.

Well if everyone had that attitude there would never be change in the world. For instance, black people would still be slaves in the US if people hadn't pressed their beliefs on others. Hell, someone might have said your opinion back then, but with "blacks" instead of "animals".

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Well if everyone had that attitude there would never be change in the world. For instance, black people would still be slaves in the US if people hadn't pressed their beliefs on others. Hell, someone might have said your opinion back then, but with "blacks" instead of "animals".

Well then.....in that case I am going to start pushing my non-Vegan beliefs as much as possible then. I have to change those assbackward people.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Well if everyone had that attitude there would never be change in the world. For instance, black people would still be slaves in the US if people hadn't pressed their beliefs on others. Hell, someone might have said your opinion back then, but with "blacks" instead of "animals".

True, but a very very poor choice of words wouldn't you agree?
my god..

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Well then.....in that case I am going to start pushing my non-Vegan beliefs as much as possible then. I have to change those assbackward people.

to save whose lives?

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by White Doors

True, but a very very poor choice of words wouldn't you agree?
my god..

I guess I almost put a disclaimer on it but its actually very comparable when coming from an Animal Rights view which believe animals should have the right to live free of exploitation.

Alice Walker who wrote the Color Purple and is also an animal rights activist compared the two often...

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Sowa

to save whose lives?

Just because you think that animals are equal to humans doesn't make it so and cannot be compared to the "slave" example.

If your saying "Vegans" have a right to push there belief because they have this idea that animals are the same as humans....then I have a right to tell them they are a bunch of idots because I think animals are all the same and they are nothing more than a food for other animals, including humans.