US Iran Isreal Hezbollah Circle

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Azure

Leaders are the ones who will make the final decision.

You think the President of Iran is talking careless, or even bluffing?

Do you think that the President of Iran has noticed who has launched military actions to the East and West of them within the past few years?

Is anyone willing to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, Iran might be looking for a nuclear deterrent in the hope that the US doesn't decide to spread their brand of freedom and democracy to Iran?

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Do you think that the President of Iran has noticed who has launched military actions to the East and West of them within the past few years?

Is anyone willing to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, Iran might be looking for a nuclear deterrent in the hope that the US doesn't decide to spread their brand of freedom and democracy to Iran?

No, obviously Iran is creating nuclear weapons to destroy Israel, and will gloriously ride out the international community's turning Iran into a parking lot shortly afterward. THAT seems way more plausible than a mere defensive deterrent. I think you've been reading too many books (minds?).

[Azure]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Do you think that the President of Iran has noticed who has launched military actions to the East and West of them within the past few years?

Is anyone willing to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, Iran might be looking for a nuclear deterrent in the hope that the US doesn't decide to spread their brand of freedom and democracy to Iran?

Maybe.

That theory of might apply to NK, considering they have 'not' called to wipe out another country.

EDIT: Even if Iran doesn't nuke Israel themselves, or even if they 'don't' attack anyone else with their nuclear weapons, don't you think they have 'already' shown that they 'will' supply Hezbollah with weapons?

What does that suggest?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by blankall

People are mising a much bigger threat Iran poses. Iran also has a tendency to fund militant groups outside of it's own borders. What happens if one of these groups gains nuclear capabilities? How do you fight them?

You nuke Iran.

Solution: no more nukes to militant groups.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Azure

Maybe.

That theory of might apply to NK, considering they have 'not' called to wipe out another country.

EDIT: Even if Iran doesn't nuke Israel themselves, or even if they 'don't' attack anyone else with their nuclear weapons, don't you think they have 'already' shown that they 'will' supply Hezbollah with weapons?

What does that suggest?

Why is America allowed to have nukes? Why is America allowed to supply groups with weapons and supplies? Why is America allowed to do whatever the **** it wants?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why is America allowed to have nukes? Why is America allowed to supply groups with weapons and supplies? Why is America allowed to do whatever the **** it wants?

We were talking about Iran having nukes, or getting nukes, and what they would do with them, not the US or anything to do with the US.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Azure

I realize that.....

Does that mean we ignore what the President is saying? Or does he not represent some form of leadership? My search said he had the most power, 'after' the Supreme leader.

Khamenei and Ahmadinejad have essentially said the same things: they want to destroy Israel, but they are opposed to nucleur weapons. Khamenei apparently went so far as to issue a fatwa against nucleur weapons (I say apparently because there's some question whether this is a formal fatwa). And while I don't particularly trust either of these guys, issuing a fatwa is a pretty big deal; I'm pretty sure he wouldn't say this simply for the benefit of deceiving those in the west, especially given that the Ayatollah has never felt the need to hide his most radical opinions before.
That said, there are certainly other forces within Iran who see the use of nucleur weapons as a justifiable means to achieve the goal of eliminating Israel, and all sides within Iran (even the most liberal and moderate elements) are in favour of developing a nucleur power program. It's entirely possible that the best available option for the west is that Iran maintains a hardline Ayatollah who, while awful in the field of human rights, maintains a moral superiority regarding the production and stockpiling of nucleur weapons.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Azure

We were talking about Iran having nukes, or getting nukes, and what they would do with them, not the US or anything to do with the US.

Yeah I know. Just find it interesting the glaring double standard that exists today with regard to weapons of mass destruction.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah I know. Just find it interesting the glaring double standard that exists today with regard to weapons of mass destruction.

I disagree, but lets not derail another thread.

I get accused of that already.