Rumor Control: Fidel Castro had died

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Let me rephrase:
Your link came from an anti-Castro propoganda website.

It was a speech that was given in the Congress of the USA.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It was a speech that was given in the Congress of the USA.

And this congressman represents Florida's anti-Castro cuban exile community.

Do you think he should have made a "End the embargo" speech? Would that have made him more popular among his constituents?

Oh my goodness, here's what the world thinks of the American embargo:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in658417.shtml
What a surprise.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Hardly, but if you feel better thinking so, knock yourself out.



I was alive then as well...does that make my opinion any better?




Kennedy actually increased the embargo as well as the bad blood with the ill-fated Bay of Pigs fiasco. And im a big Kennedy fan.



POW's can be classified as something a bit different than political activists, or those that Castro fears.....no?

Im no fan of whats happening at Gitmo either, but its irrelevant to this particular discussion.

Yes it makes my opinion better because I was effected by it. I was a well informed teen who read mags such as Time and Macleans, watched CBC and CBS. I remember going up for a jumpshot wondering if I'd be vaporized before I came down. Over reacting, for sure but it may have been the most dangerous time this world has experienced and effected everyone in my generation. It wasn't some story in a textbook.

Kennedy had his screwups for sure, but he wasn't an ideologue and was feeling out Castro for discussions before he was shot. How is your arithmetic.

I don't know about your last statement, isn't the excuse for their treatment is that they aren't POWs.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

And this congressman represents Florida's anti-Castro cuban exile community.

Do you think he should have made a "End the embargo" speech? Would that have made him more popular among his constituents?

So what?

The point is, and was the same in 1960, that if Cuba went democratic (or at least that Castro was removed), the embargo would be lifted. Its been a constant message for 45 years....but you said it wouldnt happen. A fallacy in fact.

Why wouldn't it?

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So what?

The point is, and was the same in 1960, that if Cuba went democratic (or at least that Castro was removed), the embargo would be lifted. Its been a constant message for 45 years....but you said it wouldnt happen. A fallacy in fact.

Why wouldn't it?

I'm not going to read all of that anti-Castro rhetoric. Post a link or quote in which a credible source says that the embargo will be lifted once Castro holds democratic elections.

[transplant99]

Yes it makes my opinion better because I was effected by it. I was a well informed teen who read mags such as Time and Macleans, watched CBC and CBS. I remember going up for a jumpshot wondering if I'd be vaporized before I came down. Over reacting, for sure but it may have been the most dangerous time this world has experienced and effected everyone in my generation. It wasn't some story in a textbook

Dont disagree with a single thing you said here. Again I too was alive, but not old enough to comprehend.

Kennedy had his screwups for sure, but he wasn't an ideologue and was feeling out Castro for discussions before he was shot. How is your arithmetic.

What the hell does that mean exactly?

Im quite aware he wanted to open up diplomatic discussions when he was shot, but before that time he actually INCREASED the sanctions against Cuba...which is all I said.

I don't know about your last statement, isn't the excuse for their treatment is that they aren't POWs

Sure...fine. Again, it really has little to do with what we are discussing.

One set of guys are accused of being involved in the killings of US citizens.

The other set of guys are hoping for democracy in their own country and are being detained without trial after speaking out against Castro.

I guess its the same thing to some.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Can we please stay on topic here? Is it that difficult?:baby:

And that topic would be declaring you superior?

Hey 'Mods' can I please have a warning for stepping on Mr. Perfect Grammar's toes here? After all, I'm nobody.

How about you go back to Tranny's last post, before you issued the grammar indictment, and answer him honestly. Then, maybe, the thread will go back on topic.

For the record, the reason I am posting is that nothing gets under my skin more than condescending jerks like you who prance around the internet trying to build themselves up by attacking the intelligence of others. It ****es me right off. I guess in your world intelligence is fair game, just don't attack the personality?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

I'm not going to read all of that anti-Castro rhetoric. Post a link or quote in which a credible source says that the embargo will be lifted once Castro holds democratic elections.

United States Senators aren't good enough?

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

United States Senators aren't good enough?

I guess that's a no. If you have a quote, post it for gods sake.

Again DFF, you add nothing.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

I guess that's a no. If you have a quote, post it for gods sake.

Again DFF, you add nothing.

Again?

OK. You are entitled to your opinion, but clearly, your opinion on THIS matter means little.

There, now I am adding something just like you. Thanks for the inspiration.

(is my spelling good enough for you?)

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Again?

OK. You are entitled to your opinion, but clearly, your opinion on THIS matter means little.

There, now I am adding something just like you. Thanks for the inspiration.

(is my spelling good enough for you?)

Do you have anything to add to the discussion? Your sad attempt at trolling is not very effective.

I'm still waiting for the quote/link, transplant.....

So Castro is not dead I take it. Every major American and Canadian news agency would have the death as it's lead story.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Do you have anything to add to the discussion? Your sad attempt at trolling is not very effective.

I'm still waiting for the quote/link, transplant.....

So Castro is not dead I take it. Every major American and Canadian news agency would have the death as it's lead story.

Yes, I too doubt the rumor is true.

I've added to the discussion, you just didn't like the truth.

Next time you disagree with someone try debating the issue before calling them a moron.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So what?

The point is, and was the same in 1960, that if Cuba went democratic (or at least that Castro was removed), the embargo would be lifted. Its been a constant message for 45 years....but you said it wouldnt happen. A fallacy in fact.

Why wouldn't it?

This is one poor argument. I've aready mentioned this but for you who may have missed it, here goes.
If person A [the USA] holds a gun on person B [Cuba] and tells them, do what I want and you won't get hurt. When person B doesn't and gets shot, A says it's Bs fault. This don't fly in any justice system I know of.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Just out of curiosity, is the United States of America at fault for everything negative in the world? I'm really starting to wonder.

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yours were filled with condescending backhanded comments which I equate to personal attacks.

Congratulations on joining the grammar police, you must be proud. Tranny 's posts do NOT contain a LARGE amount of spelling errors.

You are simply grasping for something to make yourself feel better because you can't refute what he said in his last post. Your argument began and ended with your superior knowledge of the Cuban sugar industry.

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

And that topic would be declaring you superior?

Hey 'Mods' can I please have a warning for stepping on Mr. Perfect Grammar's toes here? After all, I'm nobody.

How about you go back to Tranny's last post, before you issued the grammar indictment, and answer him honestly. Then, maybe, the thread will go back on topic.

For the record, the reason I am posting is that nothing gets under my skin more than condescending jerks like you who prance around the internet trying to build themselves up by attacking the intelligence of others. It ****es me right off. I guess in your world intelligence is fair game, just don't attack the personality?

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Again?

OK. You are entitled to your opinion, but clearly, your opinion on THIS matter means little.

There, now I am adding something just like you. Thanks for the inspiration.

(is my spelling good enough for you?)

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Yes, I too doubt the rumor is true.

I've added to the discussion, you just didn't like the truth.

Next time you disagree with someone try debating the issue before calling them a moron.

Other than your sarcastic weak attempt at trolling in the first post, you have added nothing to the discussion whatsoever. Your posts contain a lot of complaining, and plenty of off-topic material.

I debated with transplant without calling him a moron(however I did say that he needed to do a little more research on the topic) and pretty much overwhelmed him. He became confused and has little background knowledge on the embargo and the reasons behind Castro trading sugar with the Soviets. The only thing trasnplant had to fall back on was his anti-Castro rhetoric link. He's still trying to find a source that claims that the trade embargo will be lifted once Castro holds elections(which is pretty much irrelevant anyways).

The fact remains that Castro and his sugar-dependent economy had to trade with the Soviets in the end to keep alive. Another fact is that if the US never banned Cuban sugar imports, the Cuban Missile Crisis would have probably been avoided.

Are we done now?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Other than your sarcastic weak attempt at trolling in the first post, you have added nothing to the discussion whatsoever. Your posts contain a lot of complaining, and plenty of off-topic material.

I debated with transplant without calling him a moron(however I did say that he needed to do a little more research on the topic) and pretty much overwhelmed him. He became confused and has little background knowledge on the embargo and the reasons behind Castro trading sugar with the Soviets. The only thing trasnplant had to fall back on was his anti-Castro rhetoric link. He's still trying to find a source that claims that the trade embargo will be lifted once Castro holds elections(which is pretty much irrelevant anyways).

The fact remains that Castro and his sugar-dependent economy had to trade with the Soviets in the end to keep alive. Another fact is that if the US never put up the trade embargo, the Cuban Missile Crisis would have probably been avoided.

Are we done now?

No, we are not done.

1. My first post was NOT a sarcastic trolling attempt. It was an honest freaking question to several posters in the thread. It seems everytime we have a discussion about anything political (and believe it or not, there were many good ones before you arrived on the scene!) the US is always to blame for any negative problems. I'm wondering why.

2. You were the first one to insult someone, you know it, I know it and anyone who has read this thread and paid attention to the dark side of it knows it.

Now we're done.

You can quit PMing Bingo now. I'll leave you alone.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Another fact is that if the US never put up the trade embargo, the Cuban Missile Crisis would have probably been avoided.

Whoa, totally missed this gem. Please, elaborate! How in the hell is this a FACT?

[WessThompson]

Being in the military...I am not allowed to travel to Cuba

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by WessThompson

Being in the military...I am not allowed to travel to Cuba

For what reason? Cuban government policy or Canadian military policy?

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

No, we are not done.

1. My first post was NOT a sarcastic trolling attempt. It was an honest freaking question to several posters in the thread. It seems everytime we have a discussion about anything political (and believe it or not, there were many good ones before you arrived on the scene!) the US is always to blame for any negative problems. I'm wondering why.

2. You were the first one to insult someone, you know it, I know it and anyone who has read this thread and paid attention to the dark side of it knows it.

Now we're done.

You can quit PMing Bingo now. I'll leave you alone.

-The United States may receieve unfounded blame on some global issues, but anyone with any knowledge on politics in the Americas knows that America is to blame for this particular issue. Without the United States, Castro would have never acquired power and/or never survived as long as he did.
-I said to transplant that he was a good poster but he was over his head on this particular issue. When you get confused and think that Cuba imports sugar, you really need to do some research.
-I'm not sure exactly what you mean by PMing bingo. I have not sent any personal messages. I have, however, reported your off-topic trolling posts.

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Whoa, totally missed this gem. Please, elaborate! How in the hell is this a FACT?

Sorry, I should have said after America bans imports on sugar. Not afterthe embargo. I'll edit my post.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

-The United States may receieve unfounded blame on some global issues, but anyone with any knowledge on politics in the Americas knows that America is to blame for this particular issue. Without the United States, Castro would have never acquired power and/or never survived as long as he did.
-I said to transplant that he was a good poster but he was over his head on this particular issue. When you get confused and think that Cuba imports sugar, you really need to do some research.
-I'm not sure exactly what you mean by PMing bingo. I have not sent any personal messages. I have, however, reported your off-topic trolling posts.

And you assumed I was trolling because.....

My theory is there are a lot of young and inexperienced posters here who delve into these discussions and have preconceived (for whatever reason) anti-American views which they project on everything they discuss.

As for the PMing thing, it was just a crack on you for calling out 'the mods', geez I thought you were joking. If that's your style, more power to you but I have zero to worry about. Trust me.