CBC - Should it stay or go?

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Footscray

Hate to contribute in a negative way but White Doors you're throwing conjecture everywhere like it's fact in a pretty arrogant fashion. Just stating that PBS is better than CBC doesn't make it so and I'd say public opinion in Canada would strongly disagree with you. ABC CBS, CTV? Pure subjectivity, the only attempt at a fact you've thrown out is that they have more foreign correspondants, the quality of whom and objectivity of we know nothing about. It comes down to you being opposed to your buck a year or whatever going to the CBC and being opposed to it on ideological grounds clearly as your arguments are poor and pretty obviously jaded.

Well you're entitled to your opinion too. All I'm saying is that the days of CBC being run by the government to 'connect Canadians' are no longer here. People have access to all types of media, they don't 'need' the CBC to perform that function any longer. I'm not saying get rid of CBC, I'm saying transform it and suggested a PBS-like format that could not only improve it's quality, but to also loosen it from the grip of government. There is an inherent danger of government owned/controlled media.

My point is that we have passed the 'reaching all Canadians' point that makes the 'government controlled' part no longer necessary let alone beneficial. I can live with a profit motive far easier than political motives.
Note that a PBS style CBC would have neither.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

CBC obviously can't compete financially with ABC or CBS but it can compete with quality and hopefully with a less American biased view of the world. It can actually give a Canadian slant from Canadian interests. How about that, something that is actually in yours and mine best interests and not in the interest of foreign govt.s and business.

CTV and Global match that criteria.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

CBC obviously can't compete financially with ABC or CBS but it can compete with quality and hopefully with a less American biased view of the world. It can actually give a Canadian slant from Canadian interests. How about that, something that is actually in yours and mine best interests and not in the interest of foreign govt.s and business.

Why the hell must you always bring in the American "bias" into every single frickin' conversation? Fox News, ABC, CNN, CBS, MSNBC and others are "all" American stations, therefore it is their "right" to report with an American Bias. You do what the consumer wants, not what Vulcan thinks is right.

CBC's news is the best I have ever seen, but that still does not take away from the rest of their crappy programming. Outside of sports of course.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

Being on a station that has a reputation for quality makes the news credible way more-so that location. I think the vast majority of people in Canada would give more credibility to a CBC reporter reporting on Iraq from Canada than they would to a Fox News reporter reporting on Iraq from Iraq.

They would? If the CBC has not reporters in Iraq, where exactly do they get their news from?

The American media, who have reporters in Iraq?

[moon]

Originally Posted by BlackEleven

Being on a station that has a reputation for quality makes the news credible way more-so that location. I think the vast majority of people in Canada would give more credibility to a CBC reporter reporting on Iraq from Canada than they would to a Fox News reporter reporting on Iraq from Iraq.

CBC has a reputation for quality???

I have never thought of quality when it comes to CBC whether it be news or any other crap they try to pawn off on us.

[Dion]

The CBC is a public broadcaster that continues to shove crappy Canadian content down our throats. As tax-payers, we pay dearly as our money goes to such classic CBC programming as Red Green & This Hour Has 22 Minutes. Is there anyone in this country who doesn't watch Wind At My Back or the always popular Coronation Street religiously? Come on. Remember The Road To Avonlea? Even Anne of Green Gables doesn't watch that crap! Hey, what about those Just For Laughs Gags shows...no thanks.

Hockey Night In Canada is CBC's most popular show. As hockey and sports fans, we are appalled at the way CBC handles their programming. How many times have you been watching a Hockey Night In Canada game, only to be cut short with a minute left, because CBC's The National must be aired or some other wonderful show like The Nature Of Things. And the quality & production value of all their sports broadcasts is about as good as a frickin' Lada. As Dave Hodge would say 'just like the CBC'.

http://www.cbcsucks.com/

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Dion

How many times have you been watching a Hockey Night In Canada game, only to be cut short with a minute left, because CBC's The National must be aired or some other wonderful show like The Nature Of Things. And the quality & production value of all their sports broadcasts is about as good as a frickin' Lada. As Dave Hodge would say 'just like the CBC'.

http://www.cbcsucks.com/

You make it sound like that happens all the time. I recall that once - the Dave Hodge incident you refer to. Can you list other instances?

[FlamesAddiction]

It's easy for people in the cities and towns, with satellite and cable, to want to get rid of the CBC. But there are still many Canadians who live in remote areas and have little income. The CBC is the only thing that keeps them connected to the country. Does it really bother people enough that they would want to take that away from them? For what, an extra couple of buck a year saved on taxes?

If you don't like the CBC, then don't listen or watch. It's a free country.

[White Doors]

CTV get's into remote areas too, usually with better reception.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Azure

Why the hell must you always bring in the American "bias" into every single frickin' conversation? Fox News, ABC, CNN, CBS, MSNBC and others are "all" American stations, therefore it is their "right" to report with an American Bias. You do what the consumer wants, not what Vulcan thinks is right.

CBC's news is the best I have ever seen, but that still does not take away from the rest of their crappy programming. Outside of sports of course.

It's their "right" to provide a bias? What are you talking about? In journalism, the goal is to present the information in an unbiased fashion. That's what news stations do. They report the news, because nobody gives a damn what their opinion or slant on the subject is. To state that these networks should or have some inherent "right" is absurd! It violates the basic principle that IS professional journalistic integrity!

This is why you often see criticism about CNN, FOX and other American biased stations.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

You make it sound like that happens all the time. I recall that once - the Dave Hodge incident you refer to. Can you list other instances?

The post game show goes to the top of the hour or half hour. It could be 5 minutes or 20 minutes depending on how much time they have left. Plus one has to go the sports channels if one wants to watch the post game interviews with the press.

Frankly when the game is over I switch to one of TSN, Sportsnet, or The Score for post game analysis and interviews. Better than listening to Cherry and his rants.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's easy for people in the cities and towns, with satellite and cable, to want to get rid of the CBC. But there are still many Canadians who live in remote areas and have little income. The CBC is the only thing that keeps them connected to the country. Does it really bother people enough that they would want to take that away from them? For what, an extra couple of buck a year saved on taxes?

If you don't like the CBC, then don't listen or watch. It's a free country.

My tax dollars are going towards the funding and operation of the CBC. I'd rather the govt sell it off to some private enterprise and let them run.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Dion

The post game show goes to the top of the hour or half hour. It could be 5 minutes or 20 minutes depending on how much time they have left. Plus one has to go the sports channels if one wants to watch the post game interviews with the press.

Frankly when the game is over I switch to one of TSN, Sportsnet, or The Score for post game analysis and interviews. Better than listening to Cherry and his rants.

So does that mean you can't list any other times that you were "watching a Hockey Night In Canada game, only to be cut short with a minute left, because CBC's The National must be aired or some other wonderful show like The Nature Of Things." ?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

So does that mean you can't list any other times that you were "watching a Hockey Night In Canada game, only to be cut short with a minute left, because CBC's The National must be aired or some other wonderful show like The Nature Of Things." ?

Yes it does. Btw did you check out the link I posted? The author made that point and I merely posted it. Maybe he has more for you.

[Dion]

Hockey Night in Toronto

CBC broadcast snubs Geoffrion

Regan Sarmatiuk Staff



I never thought the day would come when my love affair with Canada’s most storied sports broadcast would hit the rocks, but it has, and in a big way. Due to a recent crime against hockey committed by Hockey Night in Canada’s decision-makers, I must say that the CBC’s most popular program is in danger of becoming a farce — and there are many who would say it has been for a long time.

The crime in question occurred on Saturday, March 11, when hockey legend Bernie “Boom Boom” Geoffrion’s number was retired in a ceremony that took place before the Canadiens were to take on the Rangers, and most of English-speaking Canada was forced to watch the mediocre Maple Leafs play the Tampa Bay Lightning instead.

Never mind the fact that Geoffrion died from stomach cancer earlier that day and, as HNIC so diligently reported, it was his wish that the ceremony that saw his number raised to the rafters go on even if he passed away on the same day — this offence was indicative of a systemic disease at HNIC.

It’s no secret that HNIC is ridiculously Toronto-centric. It is, however, a great mystery as to exactly why that is.

The most obvious answer to this mystery would be that the Leafs are the only “English” Canadian original-six team. But does this really mean that all of English-speaking Canada wants to be subjected to watching them every Saturday night? Certainly not.

While many a Western Canadian NHL rink has seen its fair share of hometown traitors who stick with their childhood roots and cheer for the perennially lousy Leafs every time they roll into town, anyone who has attended a Habs game outside of Quebec can tell you that there are arguably just as many Canadiens faithful who are also willing to betray the home team for an evening.

It is easy to understand why a hometown traitor might don a Habs jersey for an evening — a simple glance at the glorious history of the franchise explains it all. Twenty-four Stanley Cups, including five straight in the late 50s and a four in a row in the 70s, not to mention some of the most hallowed names in hockey history, including that of Geoffrion, are enough to inspire awe in even the most casual of hockey fans.

And while it’s obvious that those dynasty days are long gone, the Habs have managed to maintain a degree of dignity as one of Canada’s original-six franchises by winning Stanley Cups in 1986 and 1993.

Hogtown has a different history altogether. The Leafs may have been an impressive club in the 60s, with four Cup wins, but they haven’t managed to repeat any of that former glory. Their last Stanley Cup victory was in 1967, and they haven’t even been to the big dance since. Darcy Tucker is their leading goal-scorer this year. Come on.

Certainly, most Canadian baby boomers grew up with two real options when deciding where to bestow their fan faithfulness — the Leafs or the Habs. Today, however, the CBC insists on limiting viewing options in the severest sense, offering up a steady diet of Maple Leaf mush every Saturday night at 6 p.m. CST. (I won’t even bother to get started on the absence of Senators games from HNIC’s Western broadcast.)

http://www.umanitoba.ca/manitoban/20...in.toronto.php

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It's their "right" to provide a bias? What are you talking about? In journalism, the goal is to present the information in an unbiased fashion. That's what news stations do. They report the news, because nobody gives a damn what their opinion or slant on the subject is. To state that these networks should or have some inherent "right" is absurd! It violates the basic principle that IS professional journalistic integrity!

This is why you often see criticism about CNN, FOX and other American biased stations.

I guess you missed the bias I was refering too. The "American" bias. You know, because they are American stations.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Dion

Yes it does. Btw did you check out the link I posted? The author made that point and I merely posted it. Maybe he has more for you.

The author has nothing to back it up (his "forum" has 7 posts). If you are using that website to support your view, that site is making you look bad.

So you are just looking for any site that says something bad about the CBC and then quoting it as gospel?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

The author has nothing to back it up (his "forum" has 7 posts). If you are using that website to support your view, that site is making you look bad.

So you are just looking for any site that says something bad about the CBC and then quoting it as gospel?

The author has his opinions of the CBC like everyone else here. And the fact that I agree with someones opinion does not make it gospel. You are free to post your opposing views.

I could go on and post how the Ceeb (A publicly funded broadcasting system) is biased in it's broadcasting of Leafs game evey Saturday night in prime time. I'm sure fans of other Canadian teams would like to see their team have the same/equal opportunity.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by Azure

They would? If the CBC has not reporters in Iraq, where exactly do they get their news from?

The American media, who have reporters in Iraq?

I think they would. You disagree? Do you think more Canadian would prefer the Fox News reporter to the CBC one?

Why do you say the American media? If the CBC doesn't have their own reporters on location (which they usually do, anyway), there are plently of other sources for information than the Americans. You think the only way the CBC can find out what is going on in Iraq is to ask the Americans? If that were true, CBC would be as bad as you infer it is.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by moon

CBC has a reputation for quality???

I have never thought of quality when it comes to CBC whether it be news or any other crap they try to pawn off on us.

Well, its quite obvious you don't think so. In my previous posts, I stated I think CBC news is among the best international English-speaking broadcasts (along with the BBC) and gave some brief reasoning. What, in your opinion, makes CBC news crap? What else are they trying to pawn off on us?