Rap=Crap...yes or no?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

i don't understand how people can say this. metal is the most diverse genre in my opinion and different sub-genres of metal can borrow very heavily on other, more mainstream genres. out of all the bands that fall under the metal classification, there is at least one that anyone can find entertaining. just because you haven't bothered to explore it at all doesn't mean there's nothing there that you would like. what type of music do you regularly listen to?

Thats my point. I like ALL kinds of Music but I cannot listen to HEAVY metal. I am sure there maybe 1 song out of the thousands that I might like but I am not going to listen to it to find that one song. However, just because I dont like this music does not mean that it is less important than any other type of music. I KNOW it is popular, but for whatever reason I cannot stand it.

[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Rap: A bunch of people who have the same writing capabilities as Dr.Suess except they swear more.

I don't think ANY rap-artist has been revolutionary. They all do the same thing. Take a popular song, remove the lyrics and then write a nursery rhyme to replace them. There are very few rappers where I will stop to listen. About the only one is maybe Ludacris and then sometimes Eminem. I will never understand how people call Tupac 'revolutionary' when he more than likely faked his death for profit. Yeah bull-**** you had this much stuff just recorded and sitting around.

Have you listened to to 2pacs discography? Sure he planety of trendy pop songs to make money but I would say at least half of his songs were about social issuses effecting African Americans and all other kinds of people. He made songs about teen pregenancy, working through poverty, a song for his mom, police brutality, fighting against censorship against George Bush and songs about the evils of violence and drug dealing effecting the youth. Tupac even said he had to make trendy pop songs so could make money to make songs with his ideas and philosophies.

Eminem has become one of the worst rappers. All his songs sound the same always complaining about his wife, singing songs to his daughter and just trying to make 5 different versions of "my name is."

Hip hop did not peak in the 90's, maybe gangster rap, but hip hop is alive and well with many different styles and messages in the songs. From poltical and social issues to songs just about rhyming skills. Its just not mainstream, overproduced garbage like on the radio and tv.

[Neeper]

I can't stand punk. How is noise, music? Sorry, Kermit, no offence.

[RougeUnderoos]

I don't care what kind of music you like or whether or not you hate rap, but you gotta watch this video. This girl's beatboxing skills are incredible and the guy is an amazing rapper. How can people just make this stuff up off the top of their head?

RESPECT

[Eddie Bronze]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't care what kind of music you like or whether or not you hate rap, but you gotta watch this video. This girl's beatboxing skills are incredible and the guy is an amazing rapper. How can people just make this stuff up off the top of their head?

RESPECT

I was really hoping they were going to run out into that oncoming traffic.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Originally Posted by Jake

I think rap is like every other genre. Some of it is crap, some of it isn't. I agree it reached its peak in the 90's though.

Techno is the only genre (is it even one?) that I think is entirely garbage.

Originally Posted by mightyfire89

The only good rap that ever came out was NWA. The rest of it sucks ass.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Rap: A bunch of people who have the same writing capabilities as Dr.Suess except they swear more.

I don't think ANY rap-artist has been revolutionary. They all do the same thing. Take a popular song, remove the lyrics and then write a nursery rhyme to replace them. There are very few rappers where I will stop to listen. About the only one is maybe Ludacris and then sometimes Eminem. I will never understand how people call Tupac 'revolutionary' when he more than likely faked his death for profit. Yeah bull-**** you had this much stuff just recorded and sitting around.

In my humble opinion (and I have a record collection strewn with Indie stuff), the best album released in 2005 was Kayne West's Late Registration. And considering that 2005 was a pretty good year for music overall, that's pretty high praise. That whole Chicago Deep House and soul tradition is playing dividends in releasing some of the best musical artists who rap (Common, Gangstarr etal). That's how I see it anyway.

[C Of Cup]

Biggie Smalls was the man. My favorite song by him is " i love the dough" with Jay-z. Great song to ride too.

Biggie is basically a rappers rapper. No one can compare to him.

We hit makers with acres
Roll shakers in Vegas, you can't break us
Lost chips on Lakers, gassed off Shaq
Country house, tennis courts and horseback.

That is pure skill right there. 1 in infinity can only rap like that.

[Zoidberg]

The thing about rap is it's so polarizing and it's very hard to get into. Before going off to school and meeting my friends, who love all derivatives rap, I had only heard the stuff permeating the airwaves right now - the 50 cents, the Game, the Ludacris and the Lil Jon - very mainstream, dirty, boastful and not even very talented (generally) rappers. The thing about those guys is their image sold. But hip hop and rap have a very interesting history, originating from African tribal stories that were passed down over a steady beat. What's changed is the story material (and of course the complexity of the beat - the beat usually appeals to the ear more than the rapping musically); it's gone into depths of "thug life", because that's what kids want to hear, and kids buy the music most. I'm not going to criticize mainstream rap because it's mainstream for a reason - catchy beats, glitzy music videos, and image sells in the end. But from Eric B and Rakim (the pioneers), to Public Enemy and their political enterprising, to NWA (the first supergroup), to the origins of G funk (mixing old school George Clinton and other funk legends with catchy if not substantially meaningful lyrics) with Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg's first albums, along with early Ice Cube (who's Predator LP commented furiously on the Rodney King issue of the time), and of course 2pac (who I'm not a big fan of, but if he's that popular till this day, there must be a reason), to East Coast rap emerging with the Notorious B.I.G., perhaps my favorite storyteller, and Jay-Z and Nas (the latter of which is an absolutely incredible rapper who I'm shocked hasn't been mentioned. Illmatic remains the best hip-hop CD ever made, bar none), to the Wu-Tang Clan, etc., the late 80's and 90's were the best time for hip hop no doubt. But just because mainstream is so bad right now doesn't mean rap has lost it. Jurassic 5 has conscious music over top of 40s and 50s jazz samples among other things and are a very, very creative group, and Talib Kweli, Afu-Ra and Common are good lyricists with good production in their own right. There's still good stuff out there, you just gotta dig.

And this is coming from a guy whose favorite bands are the Beatles and Coldplay. So just be accepting of it, you might find something you really like. As someone who runs through music quickly I like discovering new stuff that appeals to my ear, and finding this genre opened up doors to a load of new music, so I've had some fun with it. It's better (IMO) than listening to the same old classic rock over and over again (which I was doing prior to finding the new and fresh hip hop and rap to listen to).

Also at school, I found I kinda liked techno, Raffi, and Norah Jones. ...so you have to take everything I said with a large grain of salt.

[Zoidberg]

holy **** i wrote a lot. i need a job.

[Cheese]

say what you want...the FACT that Rap sells lyrics like this to kids is BS...what language is it...and do they make words up to rhyme just cuz they can? What merit does any of this have?

yo look this is my aint ****
I don't believing in rain ****
but I got my rips cuz this is my first hit
I sore and score the top tens
my multi platinum cd's don't even speaking some spanish
I got my range to be having a change young old to be cold
eating in my lunch time im so big to be grow
im holding my dick sorrry girls I can not him to show
you have one life do not miss to change to blow
my little friends are playing in the snow i just don't do in it
**** man im so cold **** man im so mad cuz I hate school
I just wan't it never so bad im tired and sick
I wanna lying in my bed but I come late I hate this grade
fired from ooohhh **** why I am so affraid why I just don't doing it
I have to straight to be a slave bitch hold my case
here is your money and now go away i don't wanna ****
maybe im stuck my crap **** out I don't feeling no rush
ooke here bitch here is my shot and now you dong it
and come back the next week and you swallow it up(come on)

or this one...

What it is hoe, ah what’s up (what’s up)
Can a ***** get in them guts (them guts)
Cut you up like you ain’t been cut (been cut)
Show your ass how to really catch a nut (oh yeah yeah)

Well give me you number and I’ll call (I’ll call)
And I’ll follow that ass in the mall (in the mall)
Take you home, let you juggle my balls (my balls)
While I’m beatin and tearin down your walls (oh yeah)

This your boy Mr. Funkadelic, what’s the business baby
I’ve been eyeing you all day in the mall miss lady
You looking good, I think I seen your ass in the hood
With your friends dressed up, trying to front if you could
But anyway, gone and drop a number or something
So I can call you later on,on your phone or something

Take you home, and maybe we could bone or something
It’s no limits to what we do,cause tonight we cutting, gut busting
I’m digging in your walls something viscious
With your legs to the ceiling, catch a nut someting serious
You delirious,or might I say you taste so delicious
With your pretty brown skin, like Almond Joys and Kisses
And you ah certified head doctor
Number one staller that takes dick in the ass and won’t holler
Bend you over and I”ll follow you straight to the room
Where it goes down lovely in the Leagon of Doom

****, you know the deal before a ***** even stepped
Damn that ass hot, seems like it’s gone melt
You know I give it to you til you run out of breath
Then bust a nut all over yourself

The first time I called, you were juggling on my balls
In and out of your jaws, I was beating down your walls
Had your ass breaking laws for a player was the cause
And every time you seen a G you was slipping off your drawers, I recall
I met your ass at the mall, in the fall

LOLOL
or this beauty...sing along with your kids now...

[intro]
Yes my name is clarice
My husband I think he is ****in the avon lady
That comes through every day
Could you tell me how can I not be a stupid bitch?
{**** the mail man, you stupid mutha****a}

Where my bitches at?

Chorus:

These stupid mutha****as wanna **** with me, **** with me
And get that ass torn up see
Cuz my success, rings from the top of hip hop
One day, will rule the game, in the game of hip hop


You 3 times around the world, were we plannin the mark
Settin the art, *****s gettin torn apart
Cuz my cd flow through your blood stream yo
Cuz *****s is shook to see a little ***** come back
Blowin holes in your tracks, watching freaks react
Let’s take it back, in the group home talkin with mack
These hoes with tracks, can’t **** around with lil dap
Yo 30 minutes to war, and we ready to get it on
These bati boy, jet like *****s beefin for rap
Grab my nina from the back, smack that **** outta her black
Ready to attack, group home is strong like that
Watch your back, cuz you made it on like that

Aiyo I break date, concentrate on how to make
One million straight, by the y2k
Eight mob, puttin suckas on their jobs
People got robber trying to flash jewels at bars
Roster farayan yellin go select a
I’m the nutcracker, and you know I teach ya
Comin from the burks, of street regulator
Rhymes out the ash, I dig in my stash
Punks through the dash, cuz you get slashed fast
12 o’clock mass, kneel down and pray
Like my man ray, I got the right one ba-bay
So say what you say, or say it in my face
I’m like an open case, with no clues to trace
Face your defeat, I would like you to meet
This punk ass clown who walk down the street

Yo *****s really don’t wanna **** with me
Stains like jeans, to tear that ass out the front key
My history of rap, got me comin back with the gat
I sing on tracks, my ghetto audience they react
When I rap, these 89 *****s they bring it back
Like dippin in the club, you and your team you rub a dub
Press prenub, watch these *****s run the **** out
Without a doubt, I hope these *****s ate there pea sprouts
Comin from brooklyn, yo we explore to get it on
Comin from different boroughs and we flauntin the ****
If these *****s try to act up, we be packin ****
Diggin the drop, the dread set watchin this
Walk the streets, serious, but understand this
My halomic swing got them kinda lost in the source
These are the days, the 90’s and we got to get paid
On my *****s, we shine like diamonds on a ring.

[Calgary Flames]

I love Rap, but it's not because of the lyrics it's because of the sound mostly for me. The grimy beats produced by The Rza are still the greatest IMO.

My favorite albums:

-Wu-Tang Clan: 36 Chambers
-Method Man: Tical
-Raekwon: Only Built for Cuban Linx...
-GZA/Genius: Liquid Swords
-Ghostface Killah: Ironman
-Wu-Tang Clan: Wu-Tang Forever


Guillotine/Swordz from Only Built for Cuban Linx is such a unique beat.

[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by Calgary Flames

I love Rap, but it's not because of the lyrics it's because of the sound mostly for me. The grimy beats produced by The Rza are still the greatest IMO.

My favorite albums:

-Wu-Tang Clan: 36 Chambers
-Method Man: Tical
-Raekwon: Only Built for Cuban Linx...
-GZA/Genius: Liquid Swords
-Ghostface Killah: Ironman
-Wu-Tang Clan: Wu-Tang Forever


Guillotine/Swordz from Only Built for Cuban Linx is such a unique beat.

Have you listened to RZA's new stuff like Bobby Digital and Birth of a Prince?

Has a couple nice songs and RZA's talks alot about the death of hip hop and how he is going to resurrect it. Nice beats some featuring GZA and Method Man.

[Eddie Bronze]

You guys who are Wu fans and like the original sound RZA did should definitely check out the new album "The Great Migration" from Bronze Nazareth.

Cheese,
I'm not in disagreeance with you. The majority of this kind of music is pure garbage. But for every verse you put up that's negative, I can find something equally as positive. It'll never appeal to you as it won't to a lot of folks and I'm not going to try and make it, but there's good and bad in every genre.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

Have you listened to RZA's new stuff like Bobby Digital and Birth of a Prince?

Has a couple nice songs and RZA's talks alot about the death of hip hop and how he is going to resurrect it. Nice beats some featuring GZA and Method Man.

Bobby Digital was Rza being a lazy ****. He's stepping away from it though. I kind of stopped listening to music all together after Bobby Digital. and Tical 2001. I liked The W, and loved Iron Flag though.

But it looks like they're coming back. I also forgot to Add Ol' Dirty's Return of the 36 Chambers album to my list.

www.wutangcorp.com has a ton of free mp3's to download, it's their official site. I'm catching up with alot of stuff from their.

I also like the new Ghostface.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Eddie Bronze

Cheese,
I'm not in disagreeance with you. The majority of this kind of music is pure garbage. But for every verse you put up that's negative, I can find something equally as positive. It'll never appeal to you as it won't to a lot of folks and I'm not going to try and make it, but there's good and bad in every genre.

well I can agree that other genres put out bad tunes...and when i try to think of lyrics that Imay have listened to that were "out there"...I suppose "dead babies" by Alice Cooper was tops...BUT...and this is a BIG BIG but...where is the line drawn with some of these rappers. Every day another is tossed in the slammer for violence of some type, yet we are supposed to search out the good stuff? Im no prude musically, ive forced myself to listen to many Rap albums cuz I want to try and like everything my kids "might" like. Most Ive heard are illiterate pieces of crap, with Ebonics the sole source of language used to eliterate the verse.
So I say to you...you are now 10 years older...your 12 year old son is listening to Rap...the kind i posted above...what do you do? Where is the line drawn?
Do you do nothing in the hope he finds the "good stuff"?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cheese

say what you want...the FACT that Rap sells lyrics like this to kids is BS

We could scare up a lot of pretty rough stuff from country music and rawk music that was sold to you and I when we were kids. I'm sure someone back in the day got pretty riled up when Johnny Cash sang about shooting his wife and snorting cocaine.

The lyrics you posted lack a bit of subtlety, but it's all been covered before.

[Calgary Flames]

I listened to The Wu-Tang Clan since the 4th grade. NWA before that in elementary school, It's just music. I never had the urge to go out a call girls bitches or shoot someone G style...

It's just music!

[Eddie Bronze]

I can understand you concern, Cheese. That's an angle you can come at me from that I'm not educated to, though. I'm not a dad so it's not something I've ever experienced but I do see what you are saying.

In that instance, all I can think to say is that you have to trust in the way you've raised your children and the values you've instilled within them. In most cases I would like to think they realize it's only music, just a form of entertainment, and can see through it to know what's right and wrong.

When I started listening to it, it was more a rebellious phase and I did listen to what I would deem now to be bad music as far as the message being portrayed. But, I didn't take long to grow through that and lean more towards the positive, progressive side of the genre.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by fotze

Cheese, that stuff is nothing, You should check out the Geto Boys. Here is my favorite. It talks about this guy who picks up a girl and she gives him aids so he chops her head off. This is the stuff we listened to in high school.

Actually it is not my favorite, it is my favorite example.

http://www.lyrics007.com/Geto%20Boys...%20Lyrics.html

I saw a fine hitch-hiker, and I wanted to play
I pulled off the road, so I could offer a ride
She said "thanks", I said "no thanks," and she got inside
Jivin as I was drivin, then I asked which direction
She said, "5th ward", I said "we’re from the same section"
Made it to my ave, she said out and said "thanks"
I said, "yo babe, like won’t you chill and have a couple of drinks?
We went into my house, and I filled up her glass
She drank and got drunk, that’s when I got in that ass
I banged it and banged it until my thang got sore
I said "honey...", she said "20", I said, "get out, you ****in whore!"
She put on her clothes, headed for the door
Then said, "welcome to the disease there is no cure for"
Then she started runnin and almost got away
With no clothes I gave chase, makin sure she’d pay
Now she passed by my boy and I knew he was strapped
Red pulled out his gun and shot the bitch in her back
Bare butt-naked I headed for the car
The massacre was from texas, so I pulled out the chainsaw
Cuttina nd cuttin, he said "johny, man, she’s dead"
On the news they found remains of just an arm and her head
An assassin

wow...that is just wow...

I really really hope that your lovely newborn doesnt have to listen to that garbage fotz...and I hope for your sake that you dont have to make a tough decision if it does come home in her Mp3.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Here's a gem from a rock/metal band, Tool, where the entire song is about taking action with those you perceive as being "jerk offs", and, well, killing them:

Someone told me once
That theres a right and wrong,
And that punishment
Would come to those
Who dare to cross the line.

But it must not be true
For jerk-offs like you.
Maybe it takes longer to catch a total *******.
But Im tired of waiting.
Maybe its just bull**** and I should play god,
And shoot you myself.
Because Im tired of waiting.

Consequences dictate
Our course of action
And it doesnt matter whats right.
Its only wrong if you get caught.
If consequences dictate
My course of action
I should play god
And shoot you myself.
Im very tired of waiting.

I should
Kick you,
Beat you,
**** you,
And then shoot you in your ****ing head.

I'm assuming the second last line implies that the victim is a female?

Or another one from Violent Femmes (rock), which talks about a guy killing his daughter, and then eventually committing suicide:

I had me a wife, I had me some daughters.
I tried so hard, I never knew still waters.
Nothing to eat and nothing to drink.
Nothing for a man to do but sit around and think.
Nothing for a man to do but sit around and think.

Well, Im a thinkin and thinkin, till theres nothin I aint thunk.
Breathing in the stink, till finally I stunk.
It was at that time, I swear I lost my mind.
I started making plans to kill my own kind.
I started making plans to kill my own kind.

Come little daughter, I said to the youngest one,
Put your coat on, well have some fun.
Well go out to mountains, the one to explore.
Her face then lit up, I was standing by the door.
Her face then lit up, I was standing by the door.

Come little daughter, I will carry the lanterns.
Well go out tonight, well go to the caverns.
Well go out tonight, well go to the caves.
Kiss your mother goodnight and remember that God saves.
Kiss your mother goodnight and remember that God saves.

A led her to a hole, a deep black well.
I said make a wish, make sure and not tell and
Close youre eyes dear, and count to seven.
You know your papa loves you, good children go to heaven.
You know your papa loves you, good children go to heaven.

I gave her a push, I gave her a shove.
I pushed with all my might, I pushed with all my love.
I through my child into a bottomless pit.
She was screaming as she fell, but I never heard her hit.
She was screaming as she fell, but I never heard her hit.

Gather round boys to this tale that I tell.
You wanna know how to take a short trip to hell?
Its guarenteed to get your own place in hell.
Just take your lovely daughter and push her in the well.
Take your lovely daughter and throw her in the well.

Dont speak to me of lovers, with a broken heart.
You wanna know what can really tear you apart?
Im going out to the barn, will I never stop in pain?
Im going out to the barn, to hang myself in shame.


I guess my point is there are disgusting lyrics in A LOT of genres, from rap to rock to metal.

To ignore that is a little short-sighted in my opinion, and to paint an entire genre of music with the same brush is a little unfair.

And, a link to a study that finds that violent lyrics lead to more violent thoughts. Also makes reference to another study which showed a correlation between preference for rap AND metal and poor academic peformance, drug use, and sexual activity.

http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/psp845960.pdf