Yes folks...the conspiracy theorists have turned on each other!!!!

[jolinar of malkshor]

I have to say that somethings that Lanny says does make sense but the guy is a complete whack job and has no credability as far as I am concerned. If he wasn't so crazed and paranoid about the government of the USA I might take some of the things he says seriously.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I have to say that somethings that Lanny says does make sense but the guy is a complete whack job and has no credability as far as I am concerned. If he wasn't so crazed and paranoid about the government of the USA I might take some of the things he says seriously.

Feel freee to attempt to disprove anything I say if I am such a "whack job". Until then, please stay away from the debate. If you can't contribute anything constructive, you are no use to thread.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Huh? Letting the governments detain and search people without probably cause is not giving them too much control. The Patriot Act is one of the most disgusting pieces of legislation in the history of any country. It spits on civil liberties.

Get a frickin' clue. I said some people will see the Patriot Act as a "good" thing, while others will say the exact thing you are.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Azure

Get a frickin' clue. I said some people will see the Patriot Act as a "good" thing, while others will say the exact thing you are.

Some people do see the Patriot Act as a good thing, and it does have the ability to be a good thing, if used with oversight. Unfortunately the framework of the law is wide open to abuse. Absolute power... ? If there was oversight, or at least mechanisms in the law that kicked in to allow for escalation from level to level of power, then the law would be worthy. The way it is presently written, and open to abuses, it is a power grab for anyone who wishes to exploit it.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Some people do see the Patriot Act as a good thing, and it does have the ability to be a good thing, if used with oversight. Unfortunately the framework of the law is wide open to abuse. Absolute power... ? If there was oversight, or at least mechanisms in the law that kicked in to allow for escalation from level to level of power, then the law would be worthy. The way it is presently written, and open to abuses, it is a power grab for anyone who wishes to exploit it.

I have to say that the patriot act is a complete pile of rubish. The biggest factor that piiiisess me of is that most of the congres men and women have not read the actual legislation. It is a very scary peice of law.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Some people do see the Patriot Act as a good thing, and it does have the ability to be a good thing, if used with oversight. Unfortunately the framework of the law is wide open to abuse. Absolute power... ? If there was oversight, or at least mechanisms in the law that kicked in to allow for escalation from level to level of power, then the law would be worthy. The way it is presently written, and open to abuses, it is a power grab for anyone who wishes to exploit it.

Thank you Lanny. Maybe rubecube will listen to you.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I have to say that the patriot act is a complete pile of rubish. The biggest factor that piiiisess me of is that most of the congres men and women have not read the actual legislation. It is a very scary peice of law.

Yes, it is a very scary piece of legislation. Now I want you to consider something. Consider the timeline of the Patriot Act. September 11th was supposed to be the motivating factor for the bill. Some how the 342 page Patriot Act was written in 45 days. That is an incredible feat considering the number of other laws it references and supercedes. When you consider the legal language of the document, the complexity of the document, and the level of thought that must go into a bill, I challenge anyone to honestly say that this document could be generated in as little as 45 days at the best of times, not during the chaos that was September 11th. Remeber, this is Washington where nothing gets done quickly, yet this extremely complex document was written and delivered in record time. This has always made me very uneasy.

When the bill first came out I thought it was going to be a short document granting superceding powers for a limited time in the event of disaster, not unlike the War Measures Act in Canada (two pages long by comparison). What it turned into was a monster document that would take you weeks to read and reference to understand the ramifications of the document. This bothered me, because the framework itself would take days to develop, and then from that you must generate the text and then have it checked for the legality of the language. This is one of the factors that made me a skeptic of 9/11 and drove me to learn more about everything involved with the events that lead up to the day, the day itself, and the fallout of the attacks. My opinion has always been, that if something doesn't seem right to investigate it further, and the Patriot Act was something that never seemed right to me.

[toquester]

The more we cede discretionary power without checks to politicos, the greater the threat to freedom and democracy.

IIRC, taxes were supposed to be a temporary measure.
In the name of "the best public interests", even here in Canada where we are supposed to be "civilized", we have imprisoned people based on their race, taken away their children for the same thing, and cracked the odd skull in riots when people stand up for their rights.

We surrender control far too easily in this society.

[White Doors]

Politicians don't waste their time in the fantasy world Lanny.
I guess I have that 'priveledge'.

I see no need in providing links denying Hitler and Bush are on the same moral compass. I see no need posting links that disprove that it was a missle that hit the pentagon and not a passenger jet.

I see no need to insult our forefathers, victims of 9/11 and the whole western world by defending reality from your paranoid delusions.

There is no point, but more importantly Lanny - there is no need.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Politicians don't waste their time in the fantasy world Lanny.
I guess I have that 'priveledge'.

I think that this claim requires an IP check. That's a pretty outrageous claim to make without having something to back it up. Would a moderator be so kind as to do their job and check this bozo out. Thank you. It will be a "priveledge" [sic] to get some truth on this quasi-troll.

I see no need in providing links denying Hitler and Bush are on the same moral compass. I see no need posting links that disprove that it was a missle that hit the pentagon and not a passenger jet.

That's because you can't. You don't have the intellectual capacity to do so. If I am so wrong in what I am saying, please prove it by stating your case. A powerful political figure like yourself should be able to access all sorts of information through Nexxus that would bury me. Come on, you're obviously a very smart fellow, let's see you expend some of that "brain power" and bury me.

I see no need to insult our forefathers, victims of 9/11 and the whole western world by defending reality from your paranoid delusions.

Insult "our" forefathers (you're going to try and tell me you're American now?) and the victims of 9/11? You mean these victims?

http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/
http://www.septembereleventh.org/

Both of these sites are from the survivors of 9/11, who fully supported the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but have come out asking that more be done to investigate the holes in the "official" story. These are the people that were wronged on 9/11 and these are the ones that are demanding more answers that are grounded in "reality". There are less holes in swiss cheese than their are in the 9/11 Commission report and the "official" story. If you pulled your head out of your ass for more than 2 seconds at a time, you would see just that. The families want the truth, and they know that they have not been offered it to this point.

There is no point, but more importantly Lanny - there is no need.

Its because you can't. You're not intellectually capable, and you're a compulsive liar. I've even offered to take this off line through email, but you're way too much of a lying weasel to do that. You just sit there and bait people. Pathetic.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Azure

Get a frickin' clue. I said some people will see the Patriot Act as a "good" thing, while others will say the exact thing you are.

And I gave you my opinion on it. Am I not allowed to do that now? I'm basically saying the same thing that Lanny is. The government is given way too much control with the Patriot Act.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Excuse me? WFYT! You're Bin Laden's wet dream.

Well I was using hyperbole but...basically replace terrorist with communist in your original post and you'll see what I'm getting at.

[White Doors]

I think that this claim requires an IP check. That's a pretty outrageous claim to make without having something to back it up. Would a moderator be so kind as to do their job and check this bozo out. Thank you. It will be a "priveledge" [sic] to get some truth on this quasi-troll.

uh oh, Lanny - now you think I'm some sort of powerful politician?
And just where did I say that?
HAHA

you are truly paranoid Lanny.

[White Doors]

Insult "our" forefathers (you're going to try and tell me you're American now?) and the victims of 9/11? You mean these victims?

uhh.. the last time I checked the Allies of WW2 were alot more than the USA there Lanny. Who knows? I could be from Russia?

LOL

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by White Doors

uh oh, Lanny - now you think I'm some sort of powerful politician?
And just where did I say that?
HAHA

You sort of intimated it when I challenged you to find some sack and actually defend your point of view and you said, "Politicians don't waste their time in the fantasy world Lanny." Maybe you should try and be more intelligble in your posts.

So how about you let your balls drop and defend your position like an adult, and stop acting like a 12 year old hiding behind his dad's computer. You love to make some pretty caustic comments, then run away and hide from them. Come on buddy, find some sack and actually defend your point for view with something but the tired cliches and intellectually ######ing comments.

uhh.. the last time I checked the Allies of WW2 were alot more than the USA there Lanny. Who knows? I could be from Russia?

LOL

WTF does allies of WW2 have to do with this discussion? How is defending YOUR lame ass point of view an insult to veterans? If anything, it would do them a service, proving that Hitler was such a monster, and that Bush is a saint. What are you waiting for? Something to finally drop?

[White Doors]

So how about you let your balls drop and defend your position like an adult, and stop acting like a 12 year old hiding behind his dad's computer. You love to make some pretty caustic comments, then run away and hide from them. Come on buddy, find some sack and actually defend your point for view with something but the tired cliches and intellectually ######ing comments.

Quote:
uhh.. the last time I checked the Allies of WW2 were alot more than the USA there Lanny. Who knows? I could be from Russia?

LOL

WTF does allies of WW2 have to do with this discussion? How is defending YOUR lame ass point of view an insult to veterans? If anything, it would do them a service, proving that Hitler was such a monster, and that Bush is a saint. What are you waiting for? Something to finally drop?

You're the one equating Bush with Hitler Lanny. You don't think that is not only wrong, but also very insulting?
It is.

You're the one who thinks that the people on board that plane that died slamming into the pentagon are secrety alive somewhere - you don't think that's insulting?

You're the one making these claims Lanny - not me. The burden of proof is upon you to back up your outrageous claims. I have all the credible history ever written behind me.

[White Doors]

You sort of intimated it when I challenged you to find some sack and actually defend your point of view and you said, "Politicians don't waste their time in the fantasy world Lanny." Maybe you should try and be more intelligble in your posts.

I sorta did eh Lanny? Kind of sorta looks like a missle hit the pentagon? Kind of like Bush is sorta like Hitler?

haha

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by White Doors

You're the one equating Bush with Hitler Lanny. You don't think that is not only wrong, but also very insulting?
It is.

I pointed out the parallels. Whether you find it insulting is up to you. Many people find the fact that the parallels exist at all insulting. Bush's actions have been insulting to many around the world. If they are so insulting to you, sack up and PROVE THEM WRONG.

You're the one who thinks that the people on board that plane that died slamming into the pentagon are secrety alive somewhere - you don't think that's insulting?

Hmmmm, now you're putting words in my mouth now. As you so eloquently pointed out in another post, you don't know what I believe, so don't try to use that as your defense. You have to defend your own statements with YOUR words and YOUR proof, not by attempting to discredit me just by saying that YOU don't believe what I believe.

You're the one making these claims Lanny - not me. The burden of proof is upon you to back up your outrageous claims. I have all the credible history ever written behind me.

Actually, you're the one calling me out, so the burden of proof is on YOU. You're the one calling the claims bull****, so its up to YOU to prove them wrong. So sack up little man, the ball is in your court. You're the one calling people out, time to do some work and prove YOUR side of the argument.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I sorta did eh Lanny? Kind of sorta looks like a missle hit the pentagon? Kind of like Bush is sorta like Hitler?

haha

Is that the best you have? I stand by my comments and have posted support of what I believe. And YOU? You have posted nothing to disprove any of it. All you do is make inflamatory statements and think that is enough proof of YOUR truth. Pathetic.

[MaherFan]

Interesting thread, any bets going on as to when Lanny will realise he is debating issues with someone who has yet to hit puberty?

I say 2 more pages