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Old 05-01-2006, 11:52 AM   #61
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In the 1980's, I was dating a VERY Catholic girl who told me their religious higher-ups had forbidden the congregation from watching The Thorn Birds, a very popular mini-series at the time about a conflicted priest.

Of course, they all watched it anyway.

And then Richard Chamberlain turned out to be gay in real life which made it even funnier.

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Old 05-01-2006, 12:49 PM   #62
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In the 1980's, I was dating a VERY Catholic girl who told me their religious higher-ups had forbidden the congregation from watching The Thorn Birds, a very popular mini-series at the time about a conflicted priest.

Of course, they all watched it anyway.

And then Richard Chamberlain turned out to be gay in real life which made it even funnier.

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The Thorn Birds, huh?

Your AARP card is showing, Cowperson....

But I'll show mine fore a second: didn't the Church have a similar policy toward Grace Metalious' potboiler Peyton Place? I seem to remember that--and it would be for pretty similar reasons.
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Old 05-01-2006, 01:46 PM   #63
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The Thorn Birds, huh?

Your AARP card is showing, Cowperson....

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Not quite . . . . I'm below the threshold and its a good sign I had to google it to see what you meant. Cheese, on the other hand . . . .

I still have The Thorn Birds videotaped from 1983 . . . . its fun to dig that out and watch the commercials if nothing else and it was actually a pretty good show thanks to Barbara Stanwyk and Jean Simmons. And, of course, every guy fell in love with Rachel Ward, who pretty much disappeared after it.

A Thorn Birds summary:

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/T/...thornbirds.htm

But I'll show mine fore a second: didn't the Church have a similar policy toward Grace Metalious' potboiler Peyton Place? I seem to remember that--and it would be for pretty similar reasons

An excellent review of Grace Metalious and her highly popular novel Peyton Place, banned in Canada, and her unapologetic comments regarding her detractors:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0582374/bio

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But I'll show mine fore a second: didn't the Church have a similar policy toward Grace Metalious' potboiler Peyton Place? I seem to remember that--and it would be for pretty similar reasons

An excellent review of Grace Metalious and her highly popular novel Peyton Place, banned in Canada, and her unapologetic comments regarding her detractors:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0582374/bio
Wow--didn't realize that Peyton Place was banned by the Canadian government. Whoever made that decision must feel a bit silly now, if they're still around. I think it's a decent comparison to Dan Brown's book. A terrible book that generates controversy and gets banned--thus turning it into an international bestseller. My own view: if you don't like what a book says, don't read it. Books aren't generally harmful to society if you just leave them alone.
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And, of course, every guy fell in love with Rachel Ward, who pretty much disappeared after it.
No kidding...Aussie IIRC and what a beauty.
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Old 05-01-2006, 04:19 PM   #66
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Not quite . . . . I'm below the threshold and its a good sign I had to google it to see what you meant. Cheese, on the other hand .
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Old 05-18-2006, 09:55 PM   #67
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I wasn't sure if this was worth starting a new thread over, but have you guys heard what the critics are saying about this movie? Pretty harsh stuff! I can't remember such bad reviews recently. It could be the next Gigli, if not for the hype.

According to ET, the audience at Cannes broke into laughter during some critical scenes. Tom Hanks is getting blasted too.

As a side, I also came across a new "boycott" story. Seems that some non-Catholics are calling for a boycott too (Orthodox Christians and Jews).

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060516/film_nm/davinci_dc

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"broke into laughter" did they. I'd guess that like most religious or quasi-religious films the actors are guilty of way overacting and ruining the story.
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"broke into laughter" did they. I'd guess that like most religious or quasi-religious films the actors are guilty of way overacting and ruining the story.
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The Cannes audience clearly grew restless as the movie dragged on to two and a half hours and spun a long sequence of anticlimactic revelations.

One especially melodramatic line uttered by Hanks drew prolonged laughter and some catcalls, and the audience continued to titter for much of the film's remainder.

Some people walked out during the movie's closing minutes, though there were fewer departures than many Cannes movies provoke among harsh critics. When the credits rolled, there were a few whistles and hisses, and there was none of the scattered applause even bad movies sometimes receive at Cannes.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060516/...a_vinci_code_2

And the ratings at RottenTomatoes.com are pretty bad! 15%? Not too many movies get that low.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/da_vinci_code/
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Blech, FlamesAddiction beat me to it.

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Check it out!



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060516/...a_vinci_code_2

And the ratings at RottenTomatoes.com are pretty bad! 15%? Not too many movies get that low.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/da_vinci_code/
I guess I forgot about the pretentious writing. I'm not defending the book or movie by any means. I haven't seen or read either. I'm just going my experience of watching any religious themed movie. They're all terrible but I might look at it for a while if it's free.
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Old 05-18-2006, 11:41 PM   #72
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While I think the book is BS, it is an interesting read if one approaches it as fiction.

Does that mean Hollywood will make a succesful movie out of it? They've screwed up many good books before, so it shouldn't be a suprise.
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Old 05-19-2006, 07:19 AM   #73
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I guess Rome should have waited for the critic's call for a boycott!!!

All in all I liked the book. A nice warm afternoon page turner.
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I just finished the book this morning. Took me about 5 hours of reading to finish up the whole thing. Really simple, almost childish writing. All in all the book really sucked. The ending was awful, the twist was predictable, and the whole thing had no logical or historical flow.
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I just finished the book this morning. Took me about 5 hours of reading to finish up the whole thing. Really simple, almost childish writing. All in all the book really sucked. The ending was awful, the twist was predictable, and the whole thing had no logical or historical flow.
I agree--I thought the book was terrible. The ONLY thing that makes me want to see the movie is the fact that the Vatican has such a problem with it.

And in the end, that probably won't be enough. I'll wait for the X-Men movie.
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I just finished the book this morning. Took me about 5 hours of reading to finish up the whole thing. Really simple, almost childish writing. All in all the book really sucked. The ending was awful, the twist was predictable, and the whole thing had no logical or historical flow.
LOL...well I read it in a few days...didnt have the time to sit in one reading...but Ill bet you theres a few million people who disagree with you.
I found the ending to be boring, but he put together not a bad story for fiction.
It is what it is and I think over 40 million books have been sold....and its an International best seller.
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LOL...well I read it in a few days...didnt have the time to sit in one reading...but Ill bet you theres a few million people who disagree with you.
I found the ending to be boring, but he put together not a bad story for fiction.
It is what it is and I think over 40 million books have been sold....and its an International best seller.
Well I can kind of agree. The building up of the whole Priory of Sion conspiracy was kind of intriguing, the book just took a turn for crap about half way through.

As for the sales, how many people do you think read the book for the same reasons I did? Just because everyone else was reading it. haha
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I think when people say "its just a work of fiction", they're missing what the Vatican is afraid of. The Vatican is NOT afraid of the protaganist, or the murder-mystery story itself. They're worried that certain parts of the book refer to historical FACT, and that this FACT makes them look really, really BAD.

They aren't worried that we'll all start believing in fiction. They're worried we'll all start believing in FACT (mainly the Council of Nicea), that the bible was edited in a bias and human manner that pretty much shoots its credibility, in my opinion.

Loved the book though, a real page-turner.
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Ya but aren't you doing a thesis in literature or something.


This article seems to be fitting to yourself then:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48461


I'm keeping that article. In the words of Homer Simpson: "It's funny 'cause it's true!"
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I think when people say "its just a work of fiction", they're missing what the Vatican is afraid of. The Vatican is NOT afraid of the protaganist, or the murder-mystery story itself. They're worried that certain parts of the book refer to historical FACT, and that this FACT makes them look really, really BAD.

They aren't worried that we'll all start believing in fiction. They're worried we'll all start believing in FACT (mainly the Council of Nicea), that the bible was edited in a bias and human manner that pretty much shoots its credibility, in my opinion.

Loved the book though, a real page-turner.
Then why were they (the Catholic Church) worried about the Thorn Birds, a far more obvious work of fiction?

I read the Da Vinci Code recently as well and liked the book . . . . I thought Dan Brown treated organized religion fairly respectfully, including a part where the protagonist says there is no doubt that Jesus Christ existed, obviously a topic of debate recently on this board.

I saw one critic say the book is effective because the reader always knows something before the protagonist and therefore feels clever when the hero finally figures it out. The movie, on the other hand, is apparently quite the opposite, trying to surprise you along with the protagonist.

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