What's wrong with Nickleback?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by arsenal

There is a mathematic formula that can determine if a song will be a hit or not. It is based on tempo, when the chorus comes, notes played etc.
I am not saying I am a nickleback fan, but I am wondering if you did the same thing with any 2 hit songs from any band, if you would find the same thing as they did with nickleback.

Not only that, but they had to speed up one of the songs to make it fit. The How You Remind Me/Someday comparison was well done, but a great deal of it was audio manipulation.

Personally, I like Nickelback. No, they arent deep, they arent groundbreaking, but their songs are catchy, and really that is all I am looking for in music: something to be entertained by.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Tiger

Well if there so hated why do they get so much airplay. Someone out there has to really like them. I'm starting to think that most hardcore flames fan are music snobs. Eliteist people suck, I had when people say "I listen to these guys before they were cool". But if you do have a band you really like promote it, tell people, if you don't like them say it isn't your type of music and leave it at that.

and Nickleback does have some good songs and they do have some good lyrics, same with default and theory of a deadman. I'm not afraid to admitt I own there CD's.

Come now Darren...That's a bit of a jump. It's okay to like Nickleback, and it's okay to hate them, but that doesn't make someone a music snob. People who boast about finding a band before they were popular are the kind of people so desperate for others to think of them as being cool.

I've gotten into music before it's become mainstream, but always remember...Someone else heard it first, and there is always someone cooler than you, unless you're Ben Folds.

And Lanny...do you hate the Beatles or something? I don't really have anything with me right now to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure there are a tonne of Beatles songs that don't conform to your twelve bar blues pattern. There are some pretty odd time signatures in their songs.

As for the all rock is the same, maybe most time signatures don't change all that much, but there are at least some cool instrumentations going on out there. On AC Newman's record The Slow Wonder a string section plays in place of guitars on the song The Town Halo. This is just what I talk about when I think of Nickleback being so bland.

I guess I just happen to like music that's a little less cookie cutter.

[CreaseCrasher]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Same reasons why most Canadians hate Celine Dion, Rush and Avril Lavigne, they suck.
Too commercial, over rated and over played.

Ditto....

[peter12]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Come now Darren...That's a bit of a jump. It's okay to like Nickleback, and it's okay to hate them, but that doesn't make someone a music snob. People who boast about finding a band before they were popular are the kind of people so desperate for others to think of them as being cool.

I've gotten into music before it's become mainstream, but always remember...Someone else heard it first, and there is always someone cooler than you, unless you're Ben Folds.

And Lanny...do you hate the Beatles or something? I don't really have anything with me right now to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure there are a tonne of Beatles songs that don't conform to your twelve bar blues pattern. There are some pretty odd time signatures in their songs.

As for the all rock is the same, maybe most time signatures don't change all that much, but there are at least some cool instrumentations going on out there. On AC Newman's record The Slow Wonder a string section plays in place of guitars on the song The Town Halo. This is just what I talk about when I think of Nickleback being so bland.

I guess I just happen to like music that's a little less cookie cutter.

Exactly. Any Joe can strum a guitar and croak about an old photograph. I want talent, innovation... it doesn't have to be weird or different.

Tom Waits is one of the greatest songwriters of all time... never gone gold in the USA. Monetary success doesn't equal talent or worth, contrary to what is shoved down our throats in our society.

By the way, Slow Wonder is an incredible album. Have you picked up the new Neko Case?

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by peter12

Exactly. Any Joe can strum a guitar and croak about an old photograph. I want talent, innovation... it doesn't have to be weird or different.

Tom Waits is one of the greatest songwriters of all time... never gone gold in the USA. Monetary success doesn't equal talent or worth, contrary to what is shoved down our throats in our society.

By the way, Slow Wonder is an incredible album. Have you picked up the new Neko Case?

I tried picking up Slow Wonder just before I left for China about a week and a half ago...everywhere I went no one knew what I wanted, then once we figured it out, they didn't have any.

I've got Fox Confessor on my iPod right now, it's pretty good,but I wish Neko didn't have the hollow effect on her singing...Great voice, but I just love how she sounds on The Bleeding Heart Show so much that anything else is just a little bit less for me. Still....great album.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I tried picking up Slow Wonder just before I left for China about a week and a half ago...everywhere I went no one knew what I wanted, then once we figured it out, they didn't have any.

I've got Fox Confessor on my iPod right now, it's pretty good,but I wish Neko didn't have the hollow effect on her singing...Great voice, but I just love how she sounds on The Bleeding Heart Show so much that anything else is just a little bit less for me. Still....great album.

I really like that haunting tone to her voice. Definitely sets her apart. And the Sadies (one of my favourite bands) were born to play behind her, great mix.

[Kybosh]

I've really enjoyed the Slow Wonder and my only complaint is that it is just too short.

[the crispy badger]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Those awesome lyrics were originally Elton John's so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. . . unless you think Elton John is in the same boat as Nickelback.

i've always tried to picture Elton John in a barfight on a Saturday night..it just doesnt click with me

[octothorp]

I don't hate Nickeback, but I feel absolutely no connection to their music. Which is odd, given that I grew up about an hour from them, played high-school basketball against a couple of the guys in the band, and saw them play dive bars in Drumheller a couple times; if they had any sense of history or place in their music and lyrics, I'd probably think they were pretty good. Compare them to a guy like Neil Young: a prairie boy who experienced tremendous commercial success on a domestic and international level, now lives in the US, but has never lost his connection to his roots, and this is the reason his music has endured. A guy like Sufjan Stevens (or Tom Waits, or Nick Cave, or The Weakerthans), who has a profound sense of place and history in his music will have more of a following 30 years from now than Nickleback. I want musicians to write songs that absolutely nobody else could write. I feel the same way about writers, actors, visual artists... every creative genre. Nickleback's music thinks too much about the listener, and in doing so loses something of its creator. Just my own opinion about creativity and expression.

[Hack&Lube]

They have no creativity. The music is all stale and sounds the same.

Plus I hate post-grundge bands like Creed and Nickelback. They all sound the same and the music offers nothing.

[Shazam]

The group called the Matrix will write you a guaranteed hit song for $100K. Yes, they guarantee it.

Avril Lavigne used them for her first album.

Nickleback? Ahh, what to say about them. IMHO, their commercial success is irrelevant in determining their artistic merits. It just seems to me that their music is tailor made for pop success as opposed to good, solid songwriting.

For instance, take AC/DC. Yeah, they have lots of commercial success. But listen to their albums, and there's songs like "Giving the Dog a Bone" that you know would never, ever make on the radio. The impression I get from AC/DC is a bunch of guys that understand the young guy mentality of rebelness and horniness. I'm not sure I what I get from listening to Nickleback, other than they seem to be pine for some chick that dumped them. And AC/DC is unique. Listen to the guitar; listen to the singer; listen to the energy. AC/DC has a sound. Nickleback simply uses generic chords, a singer with a weak voice and every one of their songs sounds so... flat. Like they're going through the motions.

I will give them some credit for at least writing their own songs.

At any given time on pop radio, there's that one "rock" band in the top 40. Currently, it's Nickleback.

Once they're past being the flavour of the month, they're going to be in for the shock of their lives.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Those awesome lyrics were originally Elton John's so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. . . unless you think Elton John is in the same boat as Nickelback.

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