10 dead, including suspect, in mass shooting in Tumbler Ridge, B.C.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Definitely a lot of projection happening in that previous post.

Do you think this is an appropriate thread to start another flame war?

[cam_calderon]

Hey, The Times of India has won plenty of Pulitzers.

[Galakanokis]

Scary stuff.

Wife has a cousin with a son in the school. She shared a screen shot of the text messages with kid while the shooting was happening. Bonkers stuff, no idea how I would react. The kid is ok in this case but will be severely messed up. Repeated over and over about how much blood there was. My kids school was on lock down two years ago I think due to a report of a kid bringing a gun to school and online threats. He sat in a dark room with 20 or 30 other kids for 2 or 3 hours. He had a hard time for awhile after that and nothing really happened. Kid was apprehended right away with the gun still in his locker. Grade 9 student.

Brother-in-law still works in Tumbler Ridge but doesn't live there. I had a transmitter in the town but that was a long time ago. Such a small, quiet place. Not sure how a small place like that recovers.

[Engine09]

Quick discussion with gun owning coworker this morning, basically came down to "we need more good guys with guns" and "go after illegal guns first.

Sandy Hook showed what these people are like, they don't care.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Thanks for the suggestion, I've updated my post/note

edit 2
I should clarify that the alleged shooter, Strang, who hasn't yet been confirmed as the shooter, is 18. So we will have to wait for the RCMP.

The story appears to be broken by a conservative news outlet called Juno News, https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/juno-...d-credibility/

They're biased and have mixed credibility. So huge grain of salt required.

Just to be clear, my comment was aimed at the report you mentioned, not you. Just want to make sure you know.

[Jordan!]

Guns are controlled in Canada aren’t they? I truly have no idea but down here you can buy one like buying an Xbox with just a quick background check. At least in the U.S. you will never be able to get rid of them.

How a 9th grader had a weapon to this much damage is the big question. Nowhere is truly safe these days.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by fotze2

You would do the exact same thing to me you clown. WTF is edgelord. There are a whole schwack of other fake news sources not from India. You were being racist and I called you on it. Why don't you bring up other tragedies that are totally unrelated to what I said. You can't just recall a number and use that.

6 million died in the holocaust and your comment has nothing to do with that, but you were somehow making fun of that in my own peanut filled head. But my number is bigger so I win the internet.

No, I wouldn't, because I actually know what I'm talking about. I'm going to waste my time here and give you a legitimate response you don't deserve:

I'm not talking about fake news sources. All of these sources are legitimate news outlets. But the online versions of these sources represent a unique type of content farm from India (the country, not a race of people), where they produce articles on just about every topic in the world based on anything trending, and those articles are amplified and rank near the top of Google searches because of both real legitimacy (high search credibility) and a large population base. These online articles, very often, have low/no journalistic standards. They are only as accurate as the information they are pulling from, and they'll pull from just about anything.

Literally has nothing to do with race. Nor does it have anything to do with the holocaust. You can DM me to tell me how much better than me you are if you need to feel better about it, like last time.

[The Fonz]

Just stop.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

How a 9th grader had a weapon to this much damage is the big question. Nowhere is truly safe these days.

Have seen reports of this kid being from a hunting family, so I'd assume they had access to all sorts of rifles - which is a tragedy. Sounds like the child had struggles dating back 10yrs (can find posts from the mother on Facebook support groups) - the guns should have been locked away in a safe - all guns need to be locked away in a safe, inaccessible to anyone but the registered owner.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Guns are controlled in Canada aren’t they? I truly have no idea but down here you can buy one like buying an Xbox with just a quick background check. At least in the U.S. you will never be able to get rid of them.

How a 9th grader had a weapon to this much damage is the big question. Nowhere is truly safe these days.

Legally purchasing a gun is prohibitive. you take an 11 hour course, written and practical exam. Then you apply get background checks ect.

The issue that not everyone in the household has to have a PAL. So a mentally ill child can access them provided the parent isn't securing their guns properly.

[Geraldsh]

Being 17/18 years old in grade 9 is enough of an outlier to attract every bully in the community.
Radio talk shows are all about the mental help headed to northern B C because of the trauma experienced yesterday. Where was all this help the day before yesterday? Or the month before, the years before? The first question asked to everyone present should be “were you one of the bullies? Second question “did you see the bullying ? What did you do?”

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I'm not opining either way, but obviously both of you are going off of speculation at this point given nothing has been confirmed by officials beyond the generic "female in a dress" statement by an unattributed official.

US shooting statistics would point to a male shooter (females being infinitely more rare in these situations), but at the same time, this is an extremely working class small town generally isolated from cultural contagions that large cities experience, so either could be just as likely.

In any event, this is heartbreaking for such a small community - an unimaginable % of residents lost their lives, and like a lot of articles state, basically everyone would have known everyone who lost their lives.

Tragedy for Canada and BC

WTH are you talking about? He tried to make a stupid joke about a tragic event by jumping on the 'hate the others' bandwagon. I did no speculation other than that it was not a serious post in a very serious thread. I called him/her out and they removed it, which is appreciated.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by fotze2

You would do the exact same thing to me you clown. WTF is edgelord. There are a whole schwack of other fake news sources not from India. You were being racist and I called you on it. Why don't you bring up other tragedies that are totally unrelated to what I said. You can't just recall a number and use that.

6 million died in the holocaust and your comment has nothing to do with that, but you were somehow making fun of that in my own peanut filled head. But my number is bigger so I win the internet.

Dude, seriously?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by Titan2

WTH are you talking about? He tried to make a stupid joke about a tragic event by jumping on the 'hate the others' bandwagon. I did no speculation other than that it was not a serious post in a very serious thread. I called him/her out and they removed it, which is appreciated.

A bit confused on what you're referencing, but in any event, my prior reply agreeing we shouldn't jump to conclusions is a bit dated, now that it has indeed been confirmed to be a male (trans) shooter.

Much like the homeless / drug epidemic, a scary and sad reminder of how woefully inadequate our mental health system is in Canada. Shooter should never have gotten to this point, and appears he was radicalized in part by Reddit / trans-militants. People need to be helped more proactively

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Ducay

A bit confused on what you're referencing, but in any event, my prior reply agreeing we shouldn't jump to conclusions is a bit dated, now that it has indeed been confirmed to be a male (trans) shooter.

Much like the homeless / drug epidemic, a scary and sad reminder of how woefully inadequate our mental health system is in Canada. Shooter should never have gotten to this point, and appears he was radicalized in part by Reddit / trans-militants. People need to be helped more proactively

We shouldn’t jump to conclusions / here’s a bunch of unconfirmed conclusions.

I doubt very much any of us are in a place to speak on the identity, motive, or what led to this yet.

People have already taken the “confirmed” route to justify sharing the wrong pictures, the wrong names, etc. So be patient.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

Being 17/18 years old in grade 9 is enough of an outlier to attract every bully in the community.
Radio talk shows are all about the mental help headed to northern B C because of the trauma experienced yesterday. Where was all this help the day before yesterday? Or the month before, the years before? The first question asked to everyone present should be “were you one of the bullies? Second question “did you see the bullying ? What did you do?”

I must be lost but is there any credible news / evidence that the perp was a 17/18 year old that was in a grade 9 class? If not a lot of 'jump to conclusions' games going on.

Also share the sentiment that it's important that the RCMP actually release the details of the perp after sufficient investigation is completed. In absence of that you will get the alt-right crowd immediately jumping to conclusions that fit their narratives and perpetuating it so much in their propaganda eco-systems that people will start treating the propaganda as fact.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Much like the homeless / drug epidemic, a scary and sad reminder of how woefully inadequate our mental health system is in Canada. Shooter should never have gotten to this point, and appears he was radicalized in part by Reddit / trans-militants. People need to be helped more proactively

I will never understand the need people have to try to come up with a complete, coherent explanation and attribute cause, motive, hell, an entire personality to a perpetrator in a situation like this within hours and with almost no information. It's like you're desperate to put yourself in a position where you said something wrong and inflammatory and then have to backpedal while defending yourself.

I do think the authorities should be issuing some information just to nip this stuff in the bud, even if the information is incomplete or the statement just says they don't have full information but that the rampant speculation going on is not helpful to anyone, including the families of victims.

People need to suppress the urge to munch popcorn over the bodies of dead kids for a couple of days. You don't need to know the whole story right away.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Legally purchasing a gun is prohibitive. you take an 11 hour course, written and practical exam. Then you apply get background checks ect.

The issue that not everyone in the household has to have a PAL. So a mentally ill child can access them provided the parent isn't securing their guns properly.

I took the restricted and unrestricted courses last month. It's difficult to legally acquire a firearm from start to finish, and quite frankly a huge hassle to maintain your firearm license without f'ing up at some point. Especially unrestricted firearms (handguns). That is assuming the person follows all the rules, processes and safety measures. It's challenging to own a gun legally and maintain your status as a legal firearm owner in Canada, as it should be.

The problem in most cases likely comes down to improper storage. Keeping the ammo and firearm in separate hard-to-access storage containers/rooms can be a challenge. It has to be enough to impede someone trying to access/steal it without authorization, but someone with enough will and motivation can do it if they know where they are located.

It was also conveyed in the course that if have someone in the household going through a mental health crises or any kind of life event that could cause them to retrieve the firearm to do harm to themselves or others, you should remove it completely from the household and reconsider having it in the first place. We don't know the dealings of how this person acquired it or what was happening at home, but as mentioned in the post I am quoting, having an unsecured firearm and a person going through whatever they went through is a terrible mix and can have disastrous consequences.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Nancy

Family member living in Tumbler Ridge says that "the word on the street" is that the shooter was a Grade 9 student, who also shot their family.

When the shooter was active, the police described the shooter as a woman in a brown dress. Interesting that they would describe them as a "woman" but not mention the fact that they were also very young.

It does sound like the shooting spree started in a private residence and moved to the school afterwards.

This is a small town of 2400 people. I can't imagine the tragedy.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

The problem in most cases likely comes down to improper storage. Keeping the ammo and firearm in separate hard-to-access storage containers/rooms can be a challenge. It has to be enough to impede someone trying to access/steal it without authorization, but someone with enough will and motivation can do it if they know where they are located.

From the RCMP:

Store the ammunition separately or lock it up. It can be stored in the same locked container as the firearms.

That's for all non-restricted firearms (e.g. shotguns, long rifles, semi-autos, etc.).

It's not a challenge at all. You can store them together. You can even store your ammunition not locked away anywhere...so long as it is separate from your locked-up firearms.

This is all non-restricted.

I don't have my restricted license so not sure about that. Can you even buy restricted firearms anymore?