Justin Kirkland Placed on Waivers

[gvitaly]

Good for Kerins. There's an opening on the Kadri line.

Also Warner had an interesting take today saying they should split up Backlund and Coleman because they might as well. He then mentioned that a winger like Coleman could help a young C like Zary or Kerins develop.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Hopefully Kerins gets put into a position to succeed, and he either sinks or swims with that opportunity. 4th line center is not much of an opportunity.

Kirkland actually may get claimed. I imagine that there may be a team out there that has a worse 4th line center - either through a shortage of centers, or simply through injuries. Wouldn't surprise me either way. I hope he clears as he can help the Wranglers, and with it, help players develop.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I guess after 2 goals in 3 games in which all of their scoring came in one of nine periods they begrudgingly decided to add offense instead of the usual Huska favorite Dryden Blunt.

Baby steps from the GM.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I guess after 2 goals in 3 games in which all of their scoring came in one of nine periods they begrudgingly decided to add offense instead of the usual Huska favorite Dryden Blunt.

Baby steps from the GM.

The usual favourite that has played 5 whole games in the last 19 months.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The usual favourite that has played 5 whole games in the last 19 months.

Recalls have been rare, outside of the final week. He's still been the go-to choice.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I guess after 2 goals in 3 games in which all of their scoring came in one of nine periods they begrudgingly decided to add offense instead of the usual Huska favorite Dryden Blunt.

Baby steps from the GM.

Uhmm.. Hunt has the exact same stat-line as Kerins, only 1 less assist, but 2 less games. You make it sound as if Hunt is a 4th line grinder.


There is nothing wrong with recalling Hunt. Every coach that he plays for has always liked his strong 2-way game.


I swear, the amount of dislike that Hunt gets is so irrational. I get it - we all want to see a shiny new toy, but we don't have to pretend that the old standby is somehow an appalling alternative.


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...092072026.html

Good for Kerins. I hope he is lights-out and does well with this opportunity.

[Sled]

This is not a need call up for G A PTs.

We need to get some miles on the younger DOB's and Kerins is most logical right now over Morton. I can see that changing in a month but I think with the potential of moves coming Morton is going to get a shot yet after the deadline.

[Tacoman]

And an added bonus that King got moved up to play with Gridin and hunt tonight. Win Win!!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Uhmm.. Hunt has the exact same stat-line as Kerins, only 1 less assist, but 2 less games. You make it sound as if Hunt is a 4th line grinder.


There is nothing wrong with recalling Hunt. Every coach that he plays for has always liked his strong 2-way game.


I swear, the amount of dislike that Hunt gets is so irrational. I get it - we all want to see a shiny new toy, but we don't have to pretend that the old standby is somehow an appalling alternative.


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...092072026.html

Good for Kerins. I hope he is lights-out and does well with this opportunity.

Lol "that's the joke"

Jest aside, Hunt is fine, a safe choice if you will - I harp on Hunt because it's the board's favorite running joke around recalls. I don't actually think he's useless. Thought that was evident what with the memes of late and unjustified name calling, but fair enough.

While their performance has been relatively on par with each other (full credit to him), they do project to be different players at the NHL level based on skill and make up of their games. Kerins is more suited to a top 6/9 role if he actually develops. Whereas Hunt is more of a utility player that they can plug in wherever and can play responsibly, hence why he probably gets the nod more often than any one else up front.

If you're looking for your best bet to add point production and a player that can inject skill into your top 6/9, Kerins is probably your leading candidate, which is also evidenced by his first stint in which he was productive despite waning as it went on.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The usual favourite that has played 5 whole games in the last 19 months.

Conveniently leaving out the year prior to that where he was on the NHL roster for 1/3 of the season. The 19 months was a dead giveaway of the cherry-picked timeline.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Conveniently leaving out the year prior to that where he was on the NHL roster for 1/3 of the season. The 19 months was a dead giveaway of the cherry-picked timeline.

So two years ago, when the roster also included (at various times) Hanifin, Lindholm, Kuzmenko, Tanev, Greer, Ruzicka, Kylington, Dube, Duehr, Gilbert, and Rooney, all of whom played more games on the NHL roster than Hunt that year. It's not exactly the same team, is it?

Could it just possibly be that the players they dress depend on the players they actually have available? I know, I know, what a crazy idea.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Uhmm.. Hunt has the exact same stat-line as Kerins, only 1 less assist, but 2 less games. You make it sound as if Hunt is a 4th line grinder.


There is nothing wrong with recalling Hunt. Every coach that he plays for has always liked his strong 2-way game.


I swear, the amount of dislike that Hunt gets is so irrational. I get it - we all want to see a shiny new toy, but we don't have to pretend that the old standby is somehow an appalling alternative.


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...092072026.html

Good for Kerins. I hope he is lights-out and does well with this opportunity.

There are plenty of players that score at the AHL level but can't translate it to the NHL. Hunt is 29 and has over 200 NHL games. The last thing the Flames need right now is a below replacement level player taking minutes. We need to start to see what we have in our system, and we need to start investing minutes in players that may have a future with this club.

[Snuffleupagus]

It would be neat to see the Wranglers leading scorer the last 2 seasons play his actual position in his NHL callup.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So two years ago, when the roster also included (at various times) Hanifin, Lindholm, Kuzmenko, Tanev, Greer, Ruzicka, Kylington, Dube, Duehr, Gilbert, and Rooney, all of whom played more games on the NHL roster than Hunt that year. It's not exactly the same team, is it?

Could it just possibly be that the players they dress depend on the players they actually have available? I know, I know, what a crazy idea.

Yes Jay very good, you have to ice a roster of players to play hockey. Great contribution, we’re proud of you.

The conversation is about how it was disingenuous to say he’s only played 5 games when you could also say he’s played in ~12% of all flames games played during that time.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Yes Jay very good, you have to ice a roster of players to play hockey. Great contribution, we’re proud of you.

The conversation is about how it was disingenuous to say he’s only played 5 games when you could also say he’s played in ~12% of all flames games played during that time.

5% since the start of last season. Pretty big for a favourite.

Here’s how many games other non-favourite forward call-ups have played:

Coronato - 94
Klapka - 48
Pelletier - 24
Honzek - 21
Duehr - 16
Bishop - 6
Kerins - 5
Hunt - 5

I guess you could also say that out of 25 players who have played at least 1 game for the Flames since the beginning of last year, he ranks 22.

Pretty good for a favourite.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Yes Jay very good, you have to ice a roster of players to play hockey. Great contribution, we’re proud of you.

The conversation is about how it was disingenuous to say he’s only played 5 games when you could also say he’s played in ~12% of all flames games played during that time.

You are the one going back 2 years to find stats that support your argument. Yes, he was called up more that year (the year when only he and Coronato were PPG on the Wranglers, and Coronato got more games in the NHL than Hunt)

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Uhmm.. Hunt has the exact same stat-line as Kerins, only 1 less assist, but 2 less games. You make it sound as if Hunt is a 4th line grinder.


There is nothing wrong with recalling Hunt. Every coach that he plays for has always liked his strong 2-way game.


I swear, the amount of dislike that Hunt gets is so irrational. I get it - we all want to see a shiny new toy, but we don't have to pretend that the old standby is somehow an appalling alternative.


https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/...092072026.html

Good for Kerins. I hope he is lights-out and does well with this opportunity.

If the Flames were in the playoffs and they needed a guy to play 8 minutes on the fourth line and keep it safe, I would totally be in on Hunt. The Flames are in last place. They can't score. They need to find out who they have on the farm who potentially is part of the Flames future. Kerins, being 23, might be that guy. Hunt at 30 is not getting any better and we know has no place in the long term future of the team.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

5% since the start of last season. Pretty big for a favourite.

Here’s how many games other non-favourite forward call-ups have played:

Coronato - 94
Klapka - 48
Pelletier - 24
Honzek - 21
Duehr - 16
Bishop - 6
Kerins - 5
Hunt - 5

I guess you could also say that out of 25 players who have played at least 1 game for the Flames since the beginning of last year, he ranks 22.

Pretty good for a favourite.

Once again, ignoring the season before it is disingenuous. Hunt is also significantly older than everyone else (other than Bishop) on your list. Like I said before, there was no upside or development in calling Hunt up, he was at his peak.

The benefit of bringing Hunt up those 30+ games was having someone with a pulse, beyond that there was development time for guys like Kerins and Honzek which, while brief, was missed out on.

Really it’s not a huge deal, but to ignore 85% of the games Hunt has played by cherry picking a timeframe of 19 months is silly.

[redmile04]

Kerins has been called up ( officially)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Once again, ignoring the season before it is disingenuous. Hunt is also significantly older than everyone else (other than Bishop) on your list. Like I said before, there was no upside or development in calling Hunt up, he was at his peak.

The benefit of bringing Hunt up those 30+ games was having someone with a pulse, beyond that there was development time for guys like Kerins and Honzek which, while brief, was missed out on.

Really it’s not a huge deal, but to ignore 85% of the games Hunt has played by cherry picking a timeframe of 19 months is silly.

Maintaining that he’s Huska’s favourite when he’s played 5 games in the last 1.25 seasons and less than 35 over the last 2.25 seasons is also silly. Some may even call it disingenuous.