Practice Notes Oct 17. Gridin assigned to AHL. Huberdeau activated off IR.

[DoubleK]

I do not understand the Kirkland hate at all.

Who is going to play 4C?

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Feels like the pro tank crowd don’t like when choices are made that will help their cause.

"I want the flames to be bad and get a top pick"

-cool we sent down a young guy to grow and get better while keeping guys you've described as plugs and useless on the day to day roster

"No not like that!"

Craig Conroy has the same tools as every NHL GM. He has up to 50 nhl contracts, a reserve list, draft picks, and cap. He needs to leverage those to put out a roster this season, next season and every other season.

Those resources are finite. Most GMs prioritize either the immediate season or the future. Conroy is trying to focus on both. The result being 15 months of near inactivity and a team fill of mediocre vets with a small chance of a wild card if everything goes well.

The point is, wanting to prioritize our limited assets on the future is not being pro tank. Its an acknowledgement that the current roster isn't competitive enough to justify compromising the future.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I do not understand the Kirkland hate at all.

Who is going to play 4C?

Martin.

Honzo being a good PKer makes Costco expendable IMO.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The logic has been clearly explained and is:

a. he was sliding back and becoming invisible
b. he can be sent down without waivers
c. he benefits from more playing time, versus benching him
d. he has offesnive upsaide but not much in the way of results. which Flames have less offence in the games played so far? Lomberg, Honzek (who looks good though), and Kirkland. So two 4th liners and another first round rookie.

Who did you want to send down from the offensively challenged team? Guys who actually have more points like Coleman, Frost and Farabee? Zary? Klapka?

I’d get Sharangovich off the roster before Honzek or Gridin.

Same comment for Miromanov. Bring up Kuznetsov

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I’d get Sharangovich off the roster before Honzek or Gridin.

Same comment for Miromanov. Bring up Kuznetsov

Gridin will be back in no time.

This October run has the makings of an ugly one and I hate making excuses of the schedule but If you went .500 this month you’d consider it a win for any contending team. It’s a professional morale killer for a mid team.

Chances are high we are 2-10 or 3-9 by Nov 1 despite “working for the bounces”. This in an Olympic year, 90% of this flames roster has already booked a nice long vacation in February, private jets are gassed up.

Who the F cares who’s playing #6 on this roster, it doesn’t matter in the long run. When we have an injury or a trade you’ll see Yan and Hunter.

Keep giving Parekh the reps, playing him when your down in the third and for the love of god give him more than 20 sec of PP time. If he wants to go to the WJHC that’s his call and you roll Bean and Miro/Pachal.

Sharan could be moved anytime but you know he’s cheap for what he COULD produce and hopefully he can hit the net annnnnytime now. The glass takes a beating from that man.

We’ll be bailing water by US thanksgiving and by the Olympic break crashing the tankathon website and you know what… it’s acceptable because we know the talent of McKenna firsthand, Iggy probably knows best...The plan is to be competitive when the new barn is built. The goal is playoffs always but it doesn’t take a stats wizard to tell you this roster ain’t it without multiple unlikely things going in your favour.

[Goriders]

It’s going to be a loooooooooooong season.

Oh well. Guess focus on watching Parekh and Honzek take steps. Was hoping to do the same for Gridin. Cheer for Cooley to prove people wrong.

Pray for Conroy to find a way to dump Sharangovich’s contract and that I don’t have to watch Miromanov try to play defence again.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I’d get Sharangovich off the roster before Honzek or Gridin.

Same comment for Miromanov. Bring up Kuznetsov

You just complained about not enough offence and you want to send down the player with the 4th most goals on the team last year, and the most goals the year before.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You just complained about not enough offence and you want to send down the player with the 4th most goals on the team last year, and the most goals the year before.

It's a "what have you done lately" league, Sharangovich may have had the 4th most goals last year but make no mistake his play was far from good, he's got one of the best shots on the team but it seems he forgot how to work to get open to use it.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You just complained about not enough offence and you want to send down the player with the 4th most goals on the team last year, and the most goals the year before.

He’s been a ghost since he signed his new contract and got injured in preseason last year. He is by far the softest player in the organization.

I would rather they roll with Gridin. He looked like he fit in and was producing more than Sharangovich

[CliffFletcher]

The NHL isn’t a development league.

Flames fans will have lots of chances to watch prospects play on the big squad - after they have 50-150 games of seasoning in the AHL.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

He’s been a ghost since he signed his new contract and got injured in preseason last year. He is by far the softest player in the organization.

I would rather they roll with Gridin. He looked like he fit in and was producing more than Sharangovich

I liked Gridin, but he got one point, a pinball goal. Sharangovich has had better chances overall.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

It's a "what have you done lately" league, Sharangovich may have had the 4th most goals last year but make no mistake his play was far from good, he's got one of the best shots on the team but it seems he forgot how to work to get open to use it.

It’s not a “let’s forget about what players have proven they can do and look at what they might do” league either.

I’d say Sharangovich looked better than Gridin in the least two games each played. Plus he can take draws.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My feeling is it's fine to send Gridin down, he got a taste, he looks good but some AHL time is not going to hurt him.

My opinion is there are guys who have more than enough AHL time that need some NHL games for us to see if they can sink or swim.

Kerins: 129 AHL GP
Stromgren: 142 AHL GP

Both those guys are over 120 AHL GP now, and my opinion is once you're over that 2 season in the AHL / 120 GP threshold you need at least a little bit of NHL time to get a taste, learn the game at the next level, and understand what you need to do to evolve your game to get there. You don't get that and continue your development by just playing more AHL games.

Kuznetsov is in the same boat a bit with his 218 AHL GPs, he has nothing left to learn at that level without some NHL time to continue his development.

Kerins or Stromgren, and Kuznetsov should be up.

Kirkland, Miromanov, and Gridin (just because he still can learn in the AHL) can go down.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Farabee
Sharangovich-Frost-Coronato
Honzek-Backlund-Coleman
Zary- Kerins - Klapka or Stromgren-Zary-Klapka
Lomberg

Hanley - Weegar
Bahl - Andersson
Kuznetsov - Parekh
Bean - Pachal

I agree on paper 100% ... I'd rather have a more robust contributing fourth line as well.

But as we'd discussed numerous times you pay a price for it.

You either have young players not playing enough, or you rob your top six for ice time as there is only 48 minutes of five on five time to pass around.

15 12 12 9?

And special teams won't make it up because you have guys ahead of the young fourth liners for both PK and PP.

Zary already there though so the problem already exists with the log jam and a bit of a coming out party for Honzek.

Time to move a body?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Conroy decides who stays and who goes down, not Huska. But don't let that derail you from your sacred quest!

Conroy has already said before that who plays and gets called up and down is a Huska call, not his. But don't let the derail you from your mancrush on Huska.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Conroy has already said before that who plays and gets called up and down is a Huska call, not his. But don't let the derail you from your mancrush on Huska.

lol this guy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Goriders

He’s been a ghost since he signed his new contract and got injured in preseason last year. He is by far the softest player in the organization.

I would rather they roll with Gridin. He looked like he fit in and was producing more than Sharangovich

2nd most productive Flame in the second half of the season five on five.

But why let facts get in the way!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Conroy has already said before that who plays and gets called up and down is a Huska call, not his. But don't let the derail you from your mancrush on Huska.

You know there is plenty of real estate between calmly stating you dislike his coaching style and a daily rage bullet right?

[chummer]

Originally Posted by BigThief

lol this guy.

He's a true man of his word.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Conroy has already said before that who plays and gets called up and down is a Huska call, not his. But don't let the derail you from your mancrush on Huska.

You… do…Understand why he’s the coach right? The objective, the skill set, the plan?

He’s not here to push this team over the edge to win a cup. If it happens great.

He’s an extremely effective communicator and teacher of the game.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I agree on paper 100% ... I'd rather have a more robust contributing fourth line as well.

But as we'd discussed numerous times you pay a price for it.

You either have young players not playing enough, or you rob your top six for ice time as there is only 48 minutes of five on five time to pass around.

15 12 12 9?

And special teams won't make it up because you have guys ahead of the young fourth liners for both PK and PP.

Zary already there though so the problem already exists with the log jam and a bit of a coming out party for Honzek.

Time to move a body?

Young players playing 10 minutes in the NHL isn't an issue IMO.

Or you rob the top 6, especially on a team without a bonafide top 6. The minutes go to the guys who are going.