[News] Barkov could miss entire season

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Sorry, are you implying that the back to back defending champs are going to be so low in the standings that Chicago would get a high draft pick?

It sucks that they are missing Barkov for that long, but this is still a very, very good and deep roster. Barkov has missed plenty of games over the years and they've been able to sustain success without him. Chicago will get a pick somewhere in the mid to late 20's.

Florida had 2 more points than the Flames last year. Now they're missing $20M worth of players for at least half the season. Meanwhile, the short summers tend to add up, and take their toll on the players. Moreover, Bob and Marchand are 37, and Ekblad is off PEDs.

Maybe I overvalue the impact Barkov, and Tkachuk had, so I see the Panthers fighting for a wildcard spot for a majority of the season. I have them picking in the 12-20 range which is not quite a high pick, but is much better/higher than pick #32.

[GullFoss]

I'd send them Huby 50% retained if they'd take it.

[FanIn80]

Barkov missed 15 games last year
Tkachuk missed 30 games
Ekblad missed 26 games
Marchand missed 11 games

Game 1 of the playoffs was the first time they had their entire lineup dressed at the same time. People talking about them only having two more points than Calgary as if they were 100% healthy all season lol.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I'd send them Huby 50% retained if they'd take it.

For what?

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

For what?

For a chance the flames 1st round draft picks in 2026 and 2027 becomes a lottery pick.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Barkov missed 15 games last year
Tkachuk missed 30 games
Ekblad missed 26 games
Marchand missed 11 games

Game 1 of the playoffs was the first time they had their entire lineup dressed at the same time. People talking about them only having two more points than Calgary as if they were 100% healthy all season lol.

Uh, the entire point is that it looks like they are even less healthy this season

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Barkov missed 15 games last year
Tkachuk missed 30 games
Ekblad missed 26 games
Marchand missed 11 games

Game 1 of the playoffs was the first time they had their entire lineup dressed at the same time. People talking about them only having two more points than Calgary as if they were 100% healthy all season lol.

Here's the split last year:
w. Barkov 40W-24L-3OTL, .619pt%, 208GF, 174GA, +34, 3.1GF/GP, 2.6GA/GP
w.o. Barkov 7W-7L-1OTL, .500pt%, 38GF, 49GA, -11, 2.5GF/GP, 3.3GA/GP

It seems like losing 0.6 goals a game, while getting scored on 0.7 goals a game more makes quite the difference. They still comfortably made the playoffs, but they also struggled without Barkov, and were lucky he was out for only 15 games.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Here's the split last year:
w. Barkov 40W-24L-3OTL, .619pt%, 208GF, 174GA, +34, 3.1GF/GP, 2.6GA/GP
w.o. Barkov 7W-7L-1OTL, .500pt%, 38GF, 49GA, -11, 2.5GF/GP, 3.3GA/GP

It seems like losing 0.6 goals a game, while getting scored on 0.7 goals a game more makes quite the difference. They still comfortably made the playoffs, but they also struggled without Barkov, and were lucky he was out for only 15 games.

For those 15 games, what were the quality of opponents, road or home, were other key players out for the same games, etc? Lots of factors to consider.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Uh, the entire point is that it looks like they are even less healthy this season

The difference is they know Barkov is out for the year and Chucky is out for a few months, so they can plan ahead of time by bringing in a player or two. Not nearly the quality of what they've lost, but reasonable replacements.

Besides, their young players got a lot of experience from the cup run, and will be able to play more quality minutes than they could last year.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The difference is they know Barkov is out for the year and Chucky is out for a few months, so they can plan ahead of time by bringing in a player or two. Not nearly the quality of what they've lost, but reasonable replacements.

What are they trading to bring those players in? They're critically short of draft picks and their farm system is depleted.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What are they trading to bring those players in? They're critically short of draft picks and their farm system is depleted.

And lack cap space...nobody is saying they are now the Sharks but playoffs won't be a cake walk IMO. They could very well be on the bubble, heck mid 90s in points is the bubble these days, as anyone here should know. These are also pre-season injuries, they will still likely have players go down durning the season which will test depth even more. Bennett usually misses 10-20

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

For those 15 games, what were the quality of opponents, road or home, were other key players out for the same games, etc? Lots of factors to consider.

Oct 12-26
* No Tkachuk
@BUF 5-2 L
@BOS 4-3 W
@CBJ 4-3 W
VAN 3-2 OTL
VGK 4-3 OTW

* Tkachuk returns
MIN 5-1 L
@NYR 3-1 W
@NYI 6-3 W

Dec 12-16
@CGY 3-0 L
@EDM 6-5 W

APR 2-6
* No Tkachuk, no Ekblad until the end of regular season.
* With Marchand, Jones post TD and Marchand's injury
@TOR 3-2 L
@OTT 3-0 L

* No Bennett, No Reinhart
@DET 2-1 L

Apr 12
BUF 3-2 SOW

Apr 15
* Bennett returns
TBL 5-1 L

I'd argue that it's about average strength of schedule. The injuries/pre-playoff scratches do coincide in a lot of those games. All in all Tkachuk played in 5 of those 15GP. Ekblad 10/15, Bennett 13/15, Reinhart 12/15, Marchand 5/15, Jones 5/15.

[dino7c]

If they get 100+ points without Barkov and Tkachuk half the year I will tip my cap...I do think some of you Panthers fans are in denial though this is a MAJOR loss.

I don't think they are done by any means but they will be in a fight to make the playoffs. If they do and Barkov comes back that would be something...Leafs win the division and Panthers are the WC team lol.

[Mathgod]

They're saying 7-9 months. That means 2nd round of the playoffs is the soonest he could potentially be back. No return until fall 2026 is very much a possibility. Yikes.

[Itse]

Florida could be fine as long as he can play the final rounds of playoffs. Team Finland not so much.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The difference is they know Barkov is out for the year and Chucky is out for a few months, so they can plan ahead of time by bringing in a player or two. Not nearly the quality of what they've lost, but reasonable replacements.

Besides, their young players got a lot of experience from the cup run, and will be able to play more quality minutes than they could last year.[/B]

First half of the season is usually more or less dead when it comes to trades, it might be really difficult for them to find someone at this point in the season.

[GirlySports]

Olympics too, that really sucks

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Olympics too, that really sucks

Only for those shifty-eyed Finns!!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

For a chance the flames 1st round draft picks in 2026 and 2027 becomes a lottery pick.

And ownership would fire you before you ever saw the results of that.

[Johnny Makarov]

Bennett better play like Playoff Bennett..... in the regular season.