Incident at Vancouver festival

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Is there lots of data points of people who receive those sorts of diagnoses/judgements reoffending?

I'm sure there's some but that's not the point, the number of anguished family members of the victims knowing their loved ones murderers are out is very large and a lot of them now have their own mental health problems.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by metallicat

Our mental health system is completely broken.

I think some people here know what I do. We take legitimately mental ill people to the hospital all the time, under the mental health act, and often times they are out within a few hours. And then it happens again the next night. And it’s not even the hospitals fault. There is nowhere for most of these people to go. So few people actually end up in an actual psychiatric facility. Take a look at our current homeless situation. It’s all mental health and addiction. We are in the midst of an absolute crisis and nobody cares enough to actually dedicate the money required to fix the problem. So many more people need to be institutionalized and it seems as though, based on vague comments, that this is likely another example of that. Some people just can’t live safely in society.

Vancouver desperately needs a large (500 to 1000 beds) Mental Health facility up in the Valley, essentially a modern large replacement for Riverview for both long term and short term residents

[metallicat]

They need this everywhere. We need to massively fund our mental health system. In so many ways.

[chemgear]

He waited for the festival to end and plowed his vehicle as things were about to close down, vendors taking down their tents and stalls.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

It truly is disturbing how common these car related crowd attacks are becoming, especially with the lack of discussion & emphasis around them in mainstream media. It's interesting how the one thing they always jump on to confirm is whether it's a terrorist attack or not to ease the concerns of public opinion.. I think it's pretty safe to say at this point your average citizen is more concerned about incels and/or dangerous, mentally unstable people (who are often 'known by police') in their community than they are about terrorists.

We have the technology to implement speed limiters and geofencing for shared scooters and e-bikes, why the heck can't we start implementing them in private vehicles?

Possibly one part of the equation to make it harder for tragedies like this to come to fruition.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

It truly is disturbing how common these car related crowd attacks are becoming, especially with the lack of discussion & emphasis around them in mainstream media. It's interesting how the one thing they always jump on to confirm is whether it's a terrorist attack or not to ease the concerns of public opinion.. I think it's pretty safe to say at this point your average citizen is more concerned about incels and/or dangerous, mentally unstable people (who are often 'known by police') in their community than they are about terrorists.

Not sure what you mean by lack of emphasis on them in the media. Whenever one of these vehicle attacks happens it’s global news.

The reason authorities address the terrorism angle is because it will 100 per cent be the first question raised by the media. And the reason it will be raised by the media is the public wants to know if there’s a political agenda or wider movement behind an attack. Which is perfectly understandable. Several high-profile mass-murder-by-vehicle attacks have been carried out by political extremists and terrorists (ie ISIS claimed responsibility for the 2016 attack in Nice that left 84 dead).

As for safety measures, in Germany and France, that have suffered a half-dozen attacks on Christmas markets and other public spaces, they’ve erected bollards to prevent vehicles from having access to pedestrian areas, and police vans and concrete barriers are set up around all road access to street festivals. I expect those measures will now be adopted in Canadian cities, where they haven’t been already.

[PepsiFree]

Yeah not sure where the perception comes from that this and events like it aren’t covered by “mainstream media,” it’s literally everywhere.

MSM are slower to throw out unverified photos and videos and have a lower propensity to cater to the public’s immediate need for gore porn than folks on social media, but this was on every major news outlet in the immediate aftermath.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I'm sure there's some but that's not the point, the number of anguished family members of the victims knowing their loved ones murderers are out is very large and a lot of them now have their own mental health problems.

I think it's naive to say those family members wouldn't have mental health problems if the offenders remained locked up.

The goal of a justice system can be for the better overall outcomes for society, or for retribution/punishment.

While ours has elements of both, I don't think tailoring sentencing to emotions rather than societal outcomes is the best approach for our country.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by chemgear

He waited for the festival to end and plowed his vehicle as things were about to close down, vendors taking down their tents and stalls.

He went down the side street where the food trucks were (E 43rd), not Fraser St where the main tents were.
I don't think he was aware of timing or deliberately waiting for closing time but who knows.

This is a 5 min walk from my house, going to go to the memorial to pay my respects today. Still doesn't feel real to have this happen in your neighborhood.
My son's preschool has a location right on this corner (though he goes to a 2nd location a few blocks North).

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

We have the technology to implement speed limiters and geofencing for shared scooters and e-bikes, why the heck can't we start implementing them in private vehicles?

Possibly one part of the equation to make it harder for tragedies like this to come to fruition.

It's coming as part of the 15 minute cities evolution.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It's coming as part of the 15 minute cities evolution.

grow up.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Wormius

grow up.

He's the most pathetic poster in here.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

We have the technology to implement speed limiters and geofencing for shared scooters and e-bikes, why the heck can't we start implementing them in private vehicles?

Big nope from me.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Big nope from me.

I’d be curious to hear a valid reason why not because I can’t personally think of one.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’d be curious to hear a valid reason why not because I can’t personally think of one.

I don't believe the government should have that kind of power over free movement. I'm not for having the government having the ability to throttle where you can drive, when you can drive, how far you can drive etc. which is the natural extension of applying this kind of technology broadly to private vehicle use.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’d be curious to hear a valid reason why not because I can’t personally think of one.

I think anybody who wants to use a vehicle in this manner would find a way to override it. That said, driver assist that automatically brakes and obstacle detection are becoming more prevalent so it could be done that way.

The quick fix is probably retractable bollards or some defensive features like concrete barricades. Heck, maybe having a few cars lined up to block areas would be sufficient.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

I don't believe the government should have that kind of power over free movement. I'm not for having the government having the ability to throttle where you can drive, when you can drive, how far you can drive etc. which is the natural extension of applying this kind of technology broadly to private vehicle use.

“The government” already has power over where you can drive, when you can drive, and how fast you can drive.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

“The government” already has power over where you can drive, when you can drive, and how fast you can drive.

Lets say trump really does annex canada, should his government have the ability to throttle your car at will?

[FlamesAddiction]

The first victim has been identified as Kira Salim, a teacher/counsellor, and somewhat ironically a mental health professional originally from Brazil. The news was actually broken by media in Brazil.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6738608

https://www.terra.com.br/noticias/mu...fbayq47ms.html

Kira had a degree in Music from the Federal University of the State of Rio de Janeiro (Unirio), and a master's degree in Psychological Intervention in Development and Education from the Universidad Europea del Atlántico.

On her profile on the professional platform LinkedIn, Kira presented herself as a "dedicated mental health professional". "My personal mission is to facilitate and guide young people and marginalized communities to thrive in their lives by creating a diverse and equitable environment that nurtures different strengths and personalities, as well as providing personalized and innovative solutions to support patients," he wrote.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Lets say trump really does annex canada, should his government have the ability to throttle your car at will?

This is exactly it when contemplating surrendering control of things to the government. Don't picture the current government, think of a future where the party or person who is the polar opposite of your beliefs takes power, would you want a government under their control having this ability?