Rasmus Andersson watch — Will he stay or will he go?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I'm willing to bet that if Brzustewicz plays full time next season he won't be -38c.

[Vinny01]

I think the presence of Parekh and Brzustewicz make a difficult decision for both the player and the organization rather easy. Weegar is by far the best Dman on the team and is locked up and locked in for this city. Parekh will be at worst the #4 Dman by the end of next year.

It was a rough year for Ras so a trade makes sense for both sides but ultimately his value is not going to be what I thought it was a year ago. If they can get another 26 or 27 1st, a prospect and player that would be the expected and ideal return at this stage.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think people counting on Brzustewicz being full time next year as a replacement or part time replacement for Raz might be getting ahead of themselves.

Flames rostering two rookie RHS D next year seems unlikely. Parekh would have to fall on his face at this point and I doubt that happens. From what I’ve read/heard Brzustewicz had a good year but it didn’t sound like he’s kicking the door down, yet. Sure, he could have an awesome offseason and earn his spot in camp but as it stands I don’t think he’s anything more than a maybe at this point and given how this team and many others around the league operate, he’s going to have to beat a vet out of his job. Also shouldn’t be any surprise if the Flames shore up any perceived holes with UFA vets/PTO’s as a security and not have to roll with two rookie RHS D, at least to start the season.

I agree that they probably don't want to start the season with two fresh rookies on the right side. Parekh will be there, so get him acclimatized and comfortable THEN introduce Brzustewicz if/when he's ready.

However, with respect to Andersson, the solution to the one-year problem isn't to sign Andersson to an 8 year deal. Weegar can play on the right side if needed, and they need to pickup another top 4 Dman to fill a hole for a year or two.

Trade Andersson for assets, grab somebody for the short-term, then get Parekh then Brzust up to speed.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TOfan

That’s not a very bold take.

If Brzustewicz plays, I’ll bet he’s not facing top opposition, consistently. Does a broken foot factor into your calculus?

Well how does a broken foot factor in to his PP2 time where he REFUSES to shoot from the point?

I mean the Flames need to add a few more injuries to the list because right now his trade value is a 2nd rounder.

Raz also played with 3 broken ribs! a punctured lung! Lupus! UTI!.. but he will be at 100% for training camp next year!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Locke

NO! He still has to pay for his terrible performance against the Oilers in the playoffs! last link.. never forget.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Larkin kind of called out Yzerman for not doing anything at the deadline and killing the motivation of the team.

[Enoch Root]

Re-sign Hanley and grab another Dman in free agency or trade...

Weegar, Bahl, Hanley, ????, Pachal and Parekh

[Big Erned Nevergivn]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think people counting on Brzustewicz being full time next year as a replacement or part time replacement for Raz might be getting ahead of themselves.

Flames rostering two rookie RHS D next year seems unlikely. Parekh would have to fall on his face at this point and I doubt that happens. From what I’ve read/heard Brzustewicz had a good year but it didn’t sound like he’s kicking the door down, yet. Sure, he could have an awesome offseason and earn his spot in camp but as it stands I don’t think he’s anything more than a maybe at this point and given how this team and many others around the league operate, he’s going to have to beat a vet out of his job. Also shouldn’t be any surprise if the Flames shore up any perceived holes with UFA vets/PTO’s as a security and not have to roll with two rookie RHS D, at least to start the season.

THIS, so much this. Our kids have proven nothing yet, and our D-depth is abysmal. If we were ever going full tank mode, then I would be a proponent of trading Raz and just playing the kids. BUT our ownership will never do that, and if we are trying to stay competitive, trading Rasmus is incredibly pre-mature. These kids may end up being studs, but to date none of them have even cracked an NHL roster.

Also I don't subscribe to the "make room for the kids" sentiment, they make their own room by pushing vets down the depth chart, or they aren't ready.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Well how does a broken foot factor in to his PP2 time where he REFUSES to shoot from the point?

I mean the Flames need to add a few more injuries to the list because right now his trade value is a 2nd rounder.

Raz also played with 3 broken ribs! a punctured lung! Lupus! UTI!.. but he will be at 100% for training camp next year!

Trade value is a second rounder? According to who?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I value Andersson right now as two first round picks (obviously in the bottom 3rd of the round). So something like: 1st, 2nd + B Prospect that will likely just fizzle out.


I hope what happens is that he goes to a team for a protected first who then tumble down and the pick gets protected, and then gets unprotected the following year and they still suck. One lottery ticket (plus the extras) for Dupont please! Yeah, good luck predicting that, but it is a nice dream.


1st + 2nd+ 'B' prospect. Or 1st + 'A' prospect. Or Andersson for blue-chip prospect (that's probably not an option unless the Flames add). Will be interesting to see this trade play-out. One more exciting development to follow this off-season.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Big Erned Nevergivn

THIS, so much this. Our kids have proven nothing yet, and our D-depth is abysmal. If we were ever going full tank mode, then I would be a proponent of trading Raz and just playing the kids. BUT our ownership will never do that, and if we are trying to stay competitive, trading Rasmus is incredibly pre-mature. These kids may end up being studs, but to date they none of them have even cracked an NHL roster.

Also I don't subscribe to the "make room for the kids" sentiment, they make their own room by pushing vets down the depth chart, or they aren't ready.

Well. You can pretty much guarantee Parekh is going to be on theain squad next year. As for BRZ, I think the Flames need his game on the big club. I don't care if they're rookies or not, they have to provide an element to the game that the team just does not have on their roster and wouldn't be able to sign without putting up big money.

Camp will be interesting but I suspect those two players will push their way onto the roster. Their skillsets are desperately needed.

[Enoch Root]

I also think Conroy and company will go into this season with the same attitude they went into last: assuming that they are going to miss the playoffs but not willing to admit it publicly.

Conroy has said that the plan is to be competitive when the new arena opens. I expect that continues to be his (real) timeline.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Big Erned Nevergivn

THIS, so much this. Our kids have proven nothing yet, and our D-depth is abysmal. If we were ever going full tank mode, then I would be a proponent of trading Raz and just playing the kids. BUT our ownership will never do that, and if we are trying to stay competitive, trading Rasmus is incredibly pre-mature. These kids may end up being studs, but to date they none of them have even cracked an NHL roster.

Also I don't subscribe to the "make room for the kids" sentiment, they make their own room by pushing vets down the depth chart, or they aren't ready.

Well, I’m not suggesting they don’t trade Anderrson, I think they should. I just think the immediate replacement is either going to be part of that trade or some other offseason move.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Larkin kind of called out Yzerman for not doing anything at the deadline and killing the motivation of the team.

Players are, however, often just the worst at assessing what a team needs in its development cycle. Yzerman no doubt recognized that there wasn't a trade in the world that would put the Wings into the POs. Especially after the 6 game losing streak right beforehand.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Players are, however, often just the worst at assessing what a team needs in its development cycle. Yzerman no doubt recognized that there wasn't a trade in the world that would put the Wings into the POs. Especially after the 6 game losing streak right beforehand.

Yah just mentioned it because someone said Detroit might be a trade partner.

Could be a trade partner.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Big Erned Nevergivn

THIS, so much this. Our kids have proven nothing yet, and our D-depth is abysmal. If we were ever going full tank mode, then I would be a proponent of trading Raz and just playing the kids. BUT our ownership will never do that, and if we are trying to stay competitive, trading Rasmus is incredibly pre-mature. These kids may end up being studs, but to date they none of them have even cracked an NHL roster.

Also I don't subscribe to the "make room for the kids" sentiment, they make their own room by pushing vets down the depth chart, or they aren't ready.

I think the issue you are identifying is real, but re-signing Andersson is not the best solution.

Go get a warm body in UFA or through trade and let the kids compete with that guy. That would be them knocking through the door.

There is no feasible way to "push Andersson down the depth chart" as a guy signed for 9 years into the future and ordained as a future captain. The opportunity on the right side would be fully blocked with your 2 longest contracts and 3 best prospects being RSD.

Sorry, but this is a pretty easy decision for Conny and I'm glad that the winds are starting to shift on the media narrative around Raz. I really love the player, but the fit is gone.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Detroit and CBJ stand out to me as fits. Yzerman has to be feeling the pressure and Andersson would be a great mentor to guys like Edvisson and ASP.

But you aren't getting Kasper, 12th or Danielson.

More like a 2026 protected 1st + B prospect or a guy like Berggren.
CBJ I still think there is merit in Sillinger + 2026 protected 1st.

But Andersson also wants to win. So not sure he signs with either team.

So perhaps a team that flames out in the first round, emerges as a candidate.

Those do see like good fits and reasonable returns though.

The question will be the urgency to trade him and/or the urgency of the other teams to acquire him. Conroy has generally shown patience with upcoming UFAs when it comes to trading them. My guess is that he does trade Andersson but it will take a pressure to get a team to pay the asking price. The draft is sometimes that but it’s doubtful as that is when picks at their highest value while roster players are at their “lowest” value. I think it will take either a team having a rough start or the trade deadline to get a team to pay up.

[Erick Estrada]

I think he will be traded at the draft but that all depends on the offers. I don't think Conroy is in a situation where he has to trade Andersson over the summer if he isn't fond of the offers. He can easily run Andersson back for another season and trade him at the trade deadline. I like Andersson but I don't think the team at this stage should be locking up any more 29-30 year old players to long term deals so one way or another I think he gets traded.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I value Andersson right now as two first round picks (obviously in the bottom 3rd of the round). So something like: 1st, 2nd + B Prospect that will likely just fizzle out.


I hope what happens is that he goes to a team for a protected first who then tumble down and the pick gets protected, and then gets unprotected the following year and they still suck. One lottery ticket (plus the extras) for Dupont please! Yeah, good luck predicting that, but it is a nice dream.


1st + 2nd+ 'B' prospect. Or 1st + 'A' prospect. Or Andersson for blue-chip prospect (that's probably not an option unless the Flames add). Will be interesting to see this trade play-out. One more exciting development to follow this off-season.

The Flames need to avoid the package proposals and push for the blue-chip trade. Andersson has great value but the position needs to be that we want the best C possible and avoid spare parts. If the Flames need to add to make it happen, fine, but the deal should essentially be Andersson+ for a C.

Originally Posted by dammage79

Oilfan who has ties to SJ has them going after Andersson as their plan B if they cannot land Ekblad in FA.

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Pair him with Andersson to SJ and I think you can get a really nice package in return. I've spammed it a bit here and other thread but Filip Bystedt is a big focal point for me on acquiring. Big fast skilled C who is in the right age group. Has a hard nose for the net and finding open ice in front of the crease.

Bystedt is a good option. However, I think he is on the same level as Bourque who may be an easier/cheaper acquisition through an offer sheet. I feel like any potential Andersson trade should aim higher.

Either way, the Sharks definitely have too much C depth and it is going to become a problem for them as none of these 1st round drafted players are going to want to stay 3rd or 4th liners and at some point some of these players who were natural Cs are going to get annoyed at being forced to the wings (especially if they feel that playing wing reduces their career value / earnings).

I think this is the reason why the Sharks pick may be available. If they cannot get Schaefer then it makes sense for them to trade the pick to get what they need to build up their D group. They need immediate top pairing D help as well as future top 4 quality RD prospects.

Trading Andersson within the division would be tough.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think he will be traded at the draft but that all depends on the offers. I don't think Conroy is in a situation where he has to trade Andersson over the summer if he isn't fond of the offers. He can easily run Andersson back for another season and trade him at the trade deadline. I like Andersson but I don't think the team at this stage should be locking up any more 29-30 year old players to long term deals so one way or another I think he gets traded.

If they decide that they are not extending, he has to go right away(not given away).

I think he becomes fairly obvious to the league he isn't coming back if no extension is done, and the risk of the player getting injured costing himself money, and the team taking him to free agency.

A deal in the summer allows him to extend with his new team.