[News] Flames call up Kuznetsov and Solovyov. UPD: Barrie on waivers.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I bet someone is going on waivers today

My guess is Barrie and Miromanov.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Miromamov is just a bust, he probably was when Conroy traded for him. That trade really stings

He was a gamble, but the unprotected 2026 1st is the prize. The 3rd they also picked up was used on Kirill Zarubin, goalies are voodoo, so who knows. The goalie group feels like they know what they are doing so we shall see.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

960 thinks it's a cup of coffee situation for a couple games (at least for Kuznetsov). Rewarding good play with a few days of nhl salary.

I hope it's a sign of them offloading some of the guys that aren't working.

[Robbob]

Now is the time to force their hand.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by wireframe

This is Kuznetsov's first real opportunity. He got one game last year but that doesn't count. He was a standout in the Wranglers game I watched on Saturday. I'm pulling for the kid.

I thought he was their best player 2 years ago in Penticton. I was waiting for him to get a shot. Best way to describe him is smooth. He always looks like he’s in control.

Mirror image of Miromanov.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Fair but that's overlooking the fact that Hanley has delivered 200 minutes of 56% hockey with Weegar, when Miromanov has been 47%, Anderson 47%, and Pachal 45% all with Weegar.

He's besting all but Jake Bean in that regard.

That's true, although I think that illustrates the need we have for another half way decent left shot defensemen which is why I think it's important that the likes of Solo, and Kuznetsov get meaningful looks. Weegar while playing the left side has clearly struggled with the righties we have available.

We know what Hanley is, and Bean is better suited for that role anyway.

Hanley is about as expendable of an asset as there is given his age, ability, and contract status. It's the bottom end of the roster so it's rather inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, but I'd also like to see what Miromanov is capable doing in a more limited role. He's almost exclusively played with Weegar in a top four capacity which isn't an easy task for a guy with such limited NHL time. That is tough to do though with Pachal solidifying himself on the 3rd pair.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Andersson going bye bye?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You mean the trade where we hold an unprotected 1st round pick? Still has the potential to be the best trade in Flames' history. But yeah, it really stings.

Yeah, that one. The unprotected 1st is from Vegas, they're 4th in the entire league right now. Think the best we can hope for next season is a pick in the late teens from them, unless the wheels all crazily fall off. And yes again "that one", an unprotected 1st from a top team is not good value. I'm liking Conroy as GM and have been a big booster but at minimum he should have got a second 1st even with protection.

I think Conroy really liked Miromamov and zoned in on him thinking he got a keeper. It's been a stinker

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Andersson going bye bye?

[kyuss275]

I’m not sure kuztnetsov is going to get a game in. He probably stays up until the road trip. So basically he gets to watch the sharks game from press box.Can’t see them taking that many d men on the road.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Andersson going bye bye?

Originally Posted by Royle9

Nothing big imminent.

Doubtful

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

That's true, although I think that illustrates the need we have for another half way decent left shot defensemen which is why I think it's important that the likes of Solo, and Kuznetsov get meaningful looks. Weegar while playing the left side has clearly struggled with the righties we have available.

We know what Hanley is, and Bean is better suited for that role anyway.

Hanley is about as expendable of an asset as there is given his age, ability, and contract status. It's the bottom end of the roster so it's rather inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, but I'd also like to see what Miromanov is capable doing in a more limited role. He's almost exclusively played with Weegar in a top four capacity which isn't an easy task for a guy with such limited NHL time. That is tough to do though with Pachal solidifying himself on the 3rd pair.

Trust me ... I'm not buying a Hanley jersey.

Just think he gets a bad rap because of his age and acquisition method when really he's been pretty good.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Yeah, that one. The unprotected 1st is from Vegas, they're 4th in the entire league right now. Think the best we can hope for next season is a pick in the late teens from them, unless the wheels all crazily fall off. And yes again "that one", an unprotected 1st from a top team is not good value. I'm liking Conroy as GM and have been a big booster but at minimum he should have got a second 1st even with protection.

I think Conroy really liked Miromamov and zoned in on him thinking he got a keeper. It's been a stinker

I never understand comments like this.

So he turned down better offers?
Didn't ask around?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Trust me ... I'm not buying a Hanley jersey.

Just think he gets a bad rap because of his age and acquisition method when really he's been pretty good.

I don’t think he’s been that bad either. Definitely better than Barrie, Miromanov and potentially Bean

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I never understand comments like this.

So he turned down better offers?
Didn't ask around?

Plus it seems like Hanifin was making it clear that he was only interested in re-signing with Vegas. Conroy didn't have much leverage.

[Ped]

Not much leverage and it's not like Noah Hanifin is eiite. He's had one season above 40 points (and one more on pace). Yeah, he's playing behind Theodore and Pietrangelo, bu he never became the impact blueliner many were predicting.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by BigThief

And yes again "that one", an unprotected 1st from a top team is not good value. I'm liking Conroy as GM and have been a big booster but at minimum he should have got a second 1st even with protection.

I think Conroy really liked Miromamov and zoned in on him thinking he got a keeper. It's been a stinker

How many rentals bring back 2 first round picks?

Hanifin was not going to be the outlier of that statement.

Miromanov was a throw-in on that trade.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I never understand comments like this.

So he turned down better offers?
Didn't ask around?

I don't understand comments like this. Are you suggesting general managers have always 100% without fail made the best possible deal every time? I'll never understand your derision you have for opposing views. Conroy traded Hanifin two days before the deadline, perhaps teams that were interested earlier had dropped out and he had himself in a corner. Perhaps he focused on Miromamov too much and overvalued him, perhaps Hanifin's agent fiddled around too much and made things difficult..perhaps perhaps perhaps.

One 1st round pick from a contending team from a player of Hanifin's pedigree is a bad deal. End of story. We don't need to defend the team at every corner, I'm a Conroy fan but this was a bad deal. Shrugging your shoulder and going golly gee not much we could do chum, doesn't change that

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by BigThief

I think Conroy really liked Miromamov and zoned in on him thinking he got a keeper.

Based on what facts?

Women's intuition?

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How many rentals bring back 2 first round picks?

Hanifin was not going to be the outlier of that statement.

Miromanov was a throw-in on that trade.

He signed a new contract with Vegas week later. There could absolutely have been a contact stipulation in the trade. (For another 1st?). Do you think making Miromamov a throw in makes the deal better?

If Conroy thought he was a diamond in the rough, lost in another organization (like Yegor with Devils) I could at least understand that angle, but if you think he was just a garbage throw in that makes the deal utterly terrible. For what it's worth I think this was a guy Conroy thought could bust not. But he busted. I have no desire to belabour this trade this much a year later and rehashing old debates but it was a bad deal then and a worse one now.

Not the end of world and no need to get emotional and "not understand" someome else