[PGT] Colorado 4 Calgary 2

[Ashes]

Flames have lost 5 of 7, they really need to go into this break with a bit of optimism IMO.

I think coming back from 4 Nations and having Zary/Bahl will give them a boost and the time off will be important for guys like Backlund. But mentally, the team needs a W before the break.

Things are tight right now in the playoff race but it only takes another short stretch like this of 5/7 for things to snowball.

Does anyone know, over the 4 nations break are players given mandatory days off or will teams be practicing? Feels like the Flames could use some practice time to try out some new pairs and lines.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Flames have lost 5 of 7, they really need to go into this break with a bit of optimism IMO.

I think coming back from 4 Nations and having Zary/Bahl will give them a boost and the time off will be important for guys like Backlund. But mentally, the team needs a W before the break.

Things are tight right now in the playoff race but it only takes another short stretch like this of 5/7 for things to snowball.

Does anyone know, over the 4 nations break are players given mandatory days off or will teams be practicing? Feels like the Flames could use some practice time to try out some new pairs and lines.

I feel the opposite. That looked like a team skating in mud. They need a break.

Go to Mexico for a week or something. Hit a beach.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Do you have any evidence that rest matters? Whoever loses the first game out of the break will be excused for being "rusty". It just seems so cliché unless I can see some analysis.

Are you honestly suggesting that rest doesn't matter for athletes? That three games in four nights doesn't take a toll?

Seems like you're challenging the theory of gravity with this response.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by butterfly

But there's simply no evidence for that. If the league gave the Flames a two week break and remanded them to Hawaii, with the exception of playing Toronto and Colorado a week apart, would the results be any different than they were?

My answer is I don't know. Your answer seems to be yes. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Of course the only answer that can be 100% correct here is I don't know. However, to suggest that rest isn't a benefit for pro athletes is asinine. Have you ever worked out at the gym? If you did a brutal leg work out today, and then I told you to do another tomorrow, vs If I said do one today and then another in a week, do you not think with about 99% certainty that you'd perform better in the latter scenario?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are you honestly suggesting that rest doesn't matter for athletes? That three games in four nights doesn't take a toll?

Seems like you're challenging the theory of gravity with this response.

Of course rest matters.

But all teams play 82 games over the season.

Calgary is hitting a spot where they have played more games over a shorter period than the average team.

Presumably they have previously taken advantage of teams who have played more than them.

It all averages out.

[OldSam]

You can analyze all you want. 3 games in 4 nights the last 2 weekends, including 2 in less than 24 hours on each weekend. They were doing everything they could, just didn't have it. Last night, they came out hard, got a goal, and then ran out of gas for the last 2 periods. I sure hope they can come back strong.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Of course rest matters.

But all teams play 82 games over the season.

Calgary is hitting a spot where they have played more games over a shorter period than the average team.

Presumably they have previously taken advantage of teams who have played more than them.

It all averages out.

You think?

That wasn't the argument.

Someone said the Flames are tired. They clearly are. Suggesting that isn't saying the Flames are the only tired team, or the only team with tough spots in their schedule.

But there are differences leaguewide. There is way more travel in the west.

Dallas will travel 25,000 miles more than the Penguins this year.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You think?

That wasn't the argument.

Someone said the Flames are tired. They clearly are. Suggesting that isn't saying the Flames are the only tired team, or the only team with tough spots in their schedule.

But there are differences leaguewide. There is way more travel in the west.

Dallas will travel 25,000 miles more than the Penguins this year.

2-6 against playoff teams in the past month. The team lacks talent, talking about rest is just ignoring reality.

[OutOfTheCube]

I would expect trained athletes could probably go out and really give it their all for their 12 minutes of total ice time, in 90 second increments, spread out over three hours, without getting "gassed" just because they had to put such effort in the night before.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I would expect trained athletes could probably go out and really give it their all for their 12 minutes of total ice time, in 90 second increments, spread out over three hours, without getting "gassed" just because they had to put such effort in the night before.

It’s all about small degrees of variance at the highest levels though. The Avs are already a better team that was more rested and the Flames have been winning games through sheer effort and that gets harder as the season drags on. It’s why I am expecting a back half slide.

[NewFan]

For me the reason was simple. The main reason is the Avalanche is better team than the Flames. I think the Avalanche didn't even tried hard.

[boogerz]

Logan O'Connor was really good last night. He's such a good forechecker.

That's what Pospisil and Klapka need to be emulating.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Saqe

2-6 against playoff teams in the past month. The team lacks talent, talking about rest is just ignoring reality.

Believe it or not it can be both!

They can be an exhausted hockey club that lacks elite talent!

You don't have to pick a lane!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are you honestly suggesting that rest doesn't matter for athletes? That three games in four nights doesn't take a toll?

Seems like you're challenging the theory of gravity with this response.

You don't find it weird an Oiler fan has set up the PGT after the last 3 Flames losses? She can't wait to talk about the loser Flames!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

You don't find it weird an Oiler fan has set up the PGT after the last 3 Flames losses? She can't wait to talk about the loser Flames!

I think some people are just argumentative and pissy after losses.

I get weary of the "everyone difficult is an Oiler fan in a Flames fan disguise" bit.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Believe it or not it can be both!

They can be an exhausted hockey club that lacks elite talent!

You don't have to pick a lane!

Totally agree,

Backlund for example, looks like a player who has played way to much

Two acquired players have had 4 games in 6 days, plus travel etc.

last night, Flames were dominated on 5 on 5, on the radio they said 21-2 scoring chances for the Avalanche.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Believe it or not it can be both!

They can be an exhausted hockey club that lacks elite talent!

You don't have to pick a lane!

Stay in your lane Bingo!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think some people are just argumentative and pissy after losses.

I get weary of the "everyone difficult is an Oiler fan in a Flames fan disguise" bit.

CP obviously isn’t a monolith, so I don’t want to categorize this as something “the board” does, but it is funny how you can basically set your watch to the negative, “this team is fundamentally broken” type voices becoming the loudest after two losses in a row, and then the reverse sentiment becoming the loudest after two wins in a row.

You can basically predict exactly what kind of experience FOI is going to be based on the Flames record over any two game stretch.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

CP obviously isn’t a monolith, so I don’t want to categorize this as something “the board” does, but it is funny how you can basically set your watch to the negative, “this team is fundamentally broken” type voices becoming the loudest after two losses in a row, and then the reverse sentiment becoming the loudest after two wins in a row.

You can basically predict exactly what kind of experience FOI is going to be based on the Flames record over any two game stretch.

Hey now, I resemble that!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

CP obviously isn’t a monolith, so I don’t want to categorize this as something “the board” does, but it is funny how you can basically set your watch to the negative, “this team is fundamentally broken” type voices becoming the loudest after two losses in a row, and then the reverse sentiment becoming the loudest after two wins in a row.

You can basically predict exactly what kind of experience FOI is going to be based on the Flames record over any two game stretch.

Same as it ever was.