[News] Flyers, 76ers announce plans for new arena

[Locke]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

This is bang on, most could care less about the world Jrs. or a specific concert. Public funds should be spent on public access facilities and not for-profit business.

Its absolutely irrelevant because it presumes the assumption of a 'zero-sum game.'

As though money tagged to one project naturally assumes that it is money removed from another.

The Green Line? Screw that. The Green Line is being de-railed (Haha! Train joke!) simply because it was proposed by a competing Government. They'll eventually build the stupid thing but they'll call it something stupid like 'The Smith Line' or something equally dumb.

Is that stupid? Sure. But but it has nothing to do with the arena.

Our Governments are going to waste money. Short of electing me, people are just going to have to suck it up and make peace with it.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Locke

Our Governments are going to waste money. Short of electing me, people are just going to have to suck it up and make peace with it.

Is that stupid? Sure

[Locke]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Is that stupid? Sure

I'm sorry...is there a point you're trying to make BigChief?

Yeah, you're right, Governments never waste money on things. Good point.

[BigThief]

The idea that we should suck it up and make peace with it, Loaf. It's a quote that can easily be used against any of your political ramblings.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by BigThief

The idea that we should suck it up and make peace with it, Loaf

Sorry, I didn't realize that BigChief has a plan to fix the monetary system.

Do the workers of the world have to unite or do you have a better plan?

[BigThief]

Child.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Child.

Yes. Quite mature of you.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Enoch Root should spend an hour downtown tomorrow morning asking anyone who walks by if they're excited for the "2027 World Juniors". Ask 100 people, how many will know? One.. two?

Yes, because that will be the only event in the building.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, because that will be the only event in the building.

That changes nothing. Taxpayers are paying a large bill and getting no tangible benefit. You can break it down to "only" a certain amount of money but taxes are always only a small amount per issue. Those amounts add up.

[RM14]

Won't the building still be under construction for the 2027 World Jr's? Or is it that why the IIHF just says "Alberta" as the host.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by RM14

Won't the building still be under construction for the 2027 World Jr's? Or is it that why the IIHF just says "Alberta" as the host.

Yes, the 2027 World Jrs will be from Boxing Day 2026 until January 2027. The building will be opening in late '27.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Another wonderful point, I guess?

Good guess. Congratulations to them on their new building. The usual whining ensues.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Is there something wrong with that though? I think overall - all buildings should be redeveloped - neighborhoods, houses etc once every 30 years ... if not then....atleast once every 40 years.

A community built in 1990 should be redeveloped by 2030 imo.

The mob and politicians have gotten to you! This is an artificial way to stimulate local economies. Not substantial and a one time boost.


Like seriously we preached reuse reuse and recycle through the 80s and 90s yet the corporations won. We have a throw out culture with cheaply made #### from over seas manufacturing. Now that mentally has made it to big purchase items. Homes,120 grand cars, new majour infrastructure. Back in the day this is my 68 vette and I'll fix it till I die etc etc.

We don't fix things anymore more because fixing something to be new isn't as exciting. Something new fills the dopamine levels. It's new ,exciting,sexy it's different etc.

I do t know the point I'm trying to make. It's just I see these projects so politicians and big monetary within a community can keep the plebs in place and show the "economy is fine" with artificially creating excitement.

Like an artificial way to collect taxes . Raising taxes isn't sexy saying " we need to raise taxes to maintain our way of life" vs here's a new thing Taxes will double vs renovation but it will draw new blood* whispering for a short period untill we need another new attraction * cough cough* but that short time boost will distract you and other serfs untill you get bored and then we need to consider a new building again.


You wouldn't see this happen with places like Madison square garden or other iconic buildings. The problem is we don't see it anywhere else because other cities don't try to create and renovate buildings. You can't get more iconic buildings if you don't renovate them properly.

Don't know if my autistic brain made any sense but synopsis.

We live in a throw away culture, and we can't get more iconic buildings anymore because 30 years is considered irridemmable.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

And lower or consistent proerty taxes, and or a higher more reaonable entry point into the Fair Entry program*

*A family of 4 (like mine) has to make less than povery line to qualify for that. Was shocked after a miserable yesar of income 2021-22 how low that bar is.

In the meantime, my house had $20k uninsured hail damage from Aug 2024, but city said my house went up $19k in value for a higher tax burden on a higher property tax rate. Fml...

But back on point, I do recall when they built Wells Fargo stadium. Watching a game, they panned from under construction site to the Wachovia Spectrum where the game was getting played.

Originally Posted by Locke

Its absolutely irrelevant because it presumes the assumption of a 'zero-sum game.'

As though money tagged to one project naturally assumes that it is money removed from another.

The Green Line? Screw that. The Green Line is being de-railed (Haha! Train joke!) simply because it was proposed by a competing Government. They'll eventually build the stupid thing but they'll call it something stupid like 'The Smith Line' or something equally dumb.

Is that stupid? Sure. But but it has nothing to do with the arena.

Our Governments are going to waste money. Short of electing me, people are just going to have to suck it up and make peace with it.

I actually think these 2 post points out what my smooth brain was trying to point out.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

The mob and politicians have gotten to you! This is an artificial way to stimulate local economies. Not substantial and a one time boost.


Like seriously we preached reuse reuse and recycle through the 80s and 90s yet the corporations won. We have a throw out culture with cheaply made #### from over seas manufacturing. Now that mentally has made it to big purchase items. Homes,120 grand cars, new majour infrastructure. Back in the day this is my 68 vette and I'll fix it till I die etc etc.

We don't fix things anymore more because fixing something to be new isn't as exciting. Something new fills the dopamine levels. It's new ,exciting,sexy it's different etc.

I do t know the point I'm trying to make. It's just I see these projects so politicians and big monetary within a community can keep the plebs in place and show the "economy is fine" with artificially creating excitement.

Like an artificial way to collect taxes . Raising taxes isn't sexy saying " we need to raise taxes to maintain our way of life" vs here's a new thing Taxes will double vs renovation but it will draw new blood* whispering for a short period untill we need another new attraction * cough cough* but that short time boost will distract you and other serfs untill you get bored and then we need to consider a new building again.


You wouldn't see this happen with places like Madison square garden or other iconic buildings. The problem is we don't see it anywhere else because other cities don't try to create and renovate buildings. You can't get more iconic buildings if you don't renovate them properly.

Don't know if my autistic brain made any sense but synopsis.

We live in a throw away culture, and we can't get more iconic buildings anymore because 30 years is considered irridemmable.

While I do agree with a lot of your point, I too lament our disposable 'throw away culture' and dont even start me on kitchen utilities which should be a crime at The Hague.

However...whomever thought the Saddledome, with a roof shaped like a pringle, would be a good idea in a place that gets this much snow?

That is cigarette and blindfold time.

It is iconic, and it is cool looking, but it is also literally falling apart.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by BigThief

The idea that we should suck it up and make peace with it, Loaf. It's a quote that can easily be used against any of your political ramblings.

It's going to happen though. Why waste the energy? Seriously I don't know why people get caught in the rut of being constantly angry about things that are out of their control. Life is too short to spend time on battles you can't win.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's going to happen though. Why waste the energy? Seriously I don't know why people get caught in the rut of being constantly angry about things that are out of their control. Life is too short to spend time on battles you can't win.

These posts took about 0.001% of my day and probably less of my energy reserves. I hope it's not that much of a struggle for you to put a string of posts together and it takes much more than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of your day

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You contributed several hundred million dollars?

I don't have what the actual numbers are, but I vaguely remember someone saying it works out to like $9 or $10 per person (probably higher than that).

Do you not feel that having a facility in your city that will attract events (like the 2027 WJCs for starters) has any benefits for the average Calgarian? At that cost, do you not foresee any value to you and your family?

For starters, the Dome can easily handle the WJCs. Calgary hosted in 2012. As for benefits for my family, I live far from Calgary's two universities - an LRT line to my neighborhood would benefit my family much more than a new rink because we already have a 20,000 seater rink.

I am happy we have an NHL team in Calgary, and I actively attend games. I understand the economics of sports in North America and I know that arenas get subsidies by municipalities.

But the AVERAGE Calgarian will not see benefit from the tax dollars going toward this facility. I will see the benefits because I attend games. But MOST people in this city do not because they can't afford it. So all they did was subsidize Murray Edwards to continue to provide a small group of Calgarians (like me) with entertainment.

The 300-400 million spent on the rink would have better served a wider demographic in Calgary by expanding transit, building more amateur sports facilities, road infrastructure, social assistance programs, etc, etc etc.

That's all I'm saying. I will personally benefit from this rink. But many (read: most) will not, yet they were asked to forego other public works for this arena that will just make the Flames more money.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by getbak

I've noticed that fewer tours seem to be skipping the Saddledome since the agreement to build the new arena was finalized. I guess those problems with the roof miraculously fixed themselves.

If you compare the arenas' upcoming events calendars, virtually every concert that is playing Rogers Place is playing the Saddledome.

The only exceptions are: In April, Bush is playing Rogers Place but they're playing Grey Eagle in Calgary... so, not a venue problem. In July, Katy Perry is playing Edmonton and not Calgary, but Shania Twain is playing Calgary and not Edmonton. Plus, that's the only Saddledome concert announced for Stampede so far. There will likely be at least 2 or 3 more. Tate McCrae is playing Edmonton in August with nothing announced for Calgary, but given this is her home town, I wouldn't be surprised to see her do something here. Maybe at the new "Cowboys" park. In September, Keith Urban is playing Calgary but not Edmonton.

Of all the concerts announced for 2025 so far, Edmonton is getting two shows that Calgary isn't, and Calgary is getting two shows that Edmonton isn't.

I loved her int he 90s because of her looks. Today I learned it was also because she is smart too!

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by internationalvillager

the saddledome is 42 years old. There is unanimous agreement that it was ready to be replaced 10 years ago as the flames have been looking to get a free government funded new arena since the late 2000s

fyp