[PGT] Flames defeat Sharks 3-1

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I figured Bahl would be a solid add, had seen him in NJ and knew what to expect.

But Pachal…. What an out of left field amazing addition, the guy leaves it all out on the ice and truly appreciates the opportunity here with Calgary.

His give a ____ meter is sky high and he plays a hard game, reminds me a bit of Sarich tbh.

Wolf has to be leading the Calder voting.. what an absolute monster he’s been. Singly handily keeping Calgary in a playoff race.

Macklin Celebrini is a PPG as an 18 year old on a very bad team.

Purely my guess is if the vote happened today

1 Celebrini

2. Michkov

3. Wolf

4. Hutson

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by jayswin

The next Tanev.

I think he’s more physical than Tanev. Big hitter. Maybe not tougher per say. But meaner. Flames needed some grit. They have a few young gritty players now. Pospisil, Pachal, Bahl ect

[Mr.Coffee]

Wolf plays for Calgary.

Zero chance he wins the Calder.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Wolf plays for Calgary.

Zero chance he wins the Calder.

Well tbf...the Flames have had their fair share of winners.

Suter, Nieuwendyk, and Makarov all in the space of 5 years.

[Robbob]

I still don't know how Sturm didn't get an instigator out of all that. Should have been the easiest call to make.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I still don't know how Sturm didn't get an instigator out of all that. Should have been the easiest call to make.

In essence they did...just called it a cross check instead.

Hell of an open ice hit either way.

Pachal is an old school player....love it.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Macklin Celebrini is a PPG as an 18 year old on a very bad team.

Purely my guess is if the vote happened today

1 Celebrini

2. Michkov

3. Wolf

4. Hutson

Looks right. The odds will be stacked against Wolf for a few reasons:

-the other 3 guys on that list are way more hyped by the sports media
-he’s a goalie and it’s pretty rare for them to win the Calder. The flames will definitely have to make the playoffs for Wolf to have any chance at the Calder. He’ll also have to get a greater share of the starts than he is right now. Those kind of standards aren’t held to the other rookies on the list but it’s pretty much required for a goalie to win the Calder.
-he’s on the flames. Sports writers have purposely stacked their votes against them in the past with the intention of denying their players recognition they deserve. See Iginla 2002.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by jg13

Some players with less assists than Wolf this season: Anders Lee

Anders Lee has 14 assists. You're likely thinking of Andre Lee from the Kings who has 2 in 17 games.

[mogg]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I think he’s more physical than Tanev. Big hitter. Maybe not tougher per say. But meaner. Flames needed some grit. They have a few young gritty players now. Pospisil, Pachal, Bahl ect

He also doesn’t have Tanev’s wheels or puck moving ability. He’s been fantastic though. Really valuable in his role.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Looks right. The odds will be stacked against Wolf for a few reasons:

-the other 3 guys on that list are way more hyped by the sports media
-he’s a goalie and it’s pretty rare for them to win the Calder. The flames will definitely have to make the playoffs for Wolf to have any chance at the Calder. He’ll also have to get a greater share of the starts than he is right now. Those kind of standards aren’t held to the other rookies on the list but it’s pretty much required for a goalie to win the Calder.
-he’s on the flames. Sports writers have purposely stacked their votes against them in the past with the intention of denying their players recognition they deserve. See Iginla 2002.

That was ONE guy from Montreal that denied him getting the Hart by not including him on his ballot. And that was only so Theodore would win...nothing against Iginla.

There is no bias against the Flames....or any team in the NHL. Writers, (for the vast majority at least), don't care about that stuff.

You are correct though in that Goaltenders dont win it...but thats easily explained as they just dont play enough games to do so anymore in voters eyes. It shouldn't matter as much as it seems to, but it does.

Wolf is having a great season and should be lauded heavily for it. It wont be with the Calder though. Im guessing he already has the all rookie team made however.

[GioforPM]

Rookie starting goalies should be more likely to win the Calder - it's that rare and difficult to do. But they aren't.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Rookie starting goalies should be more likely to win the Calder - it's that rare and difficult to do. But they aren't.

How many examples are there of rookie starting goalies putting up great numbers? Steve Mason, Andrew Raycroft and Nabokov won the Calder this century. I am just wondering if there were other rookie goalies who put up eye popping numbers who did not win in the past 20 years or so. I cannot remember any rookie goalies who had great years like Wolf is having. I wonder if goalies don’t win because of some sort of bias or if goalies don’t win because there is almost never a rookie goalie who has a good enough season to win.

Carter Hart lost out to Elias Pettersson who put up a PPG almost in his rookie year. Hart also split his time and only played 31 games.

Shesterkin was the starter but he lost out to Kaprizov who put up a PPG. Shesterkin probably had a legit beef. Sorokin was the same year but probably did not have a case to be considered.

I cannot think of many more starters who would have a case.

If Celebrini puts up a PPG on that roster he will be hard to beat.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That was ONE guy from Montreal that denied him getting the Hart by not including him on his ballot. And that was only so Theodore would win...nothing against Iginla.

There is no bias against the Flames....or any team in the NHL. Writers, (for the vast majority at least), don't care about that stuff.

You are correct though in that Goaltenders dont win it...but thats easily explained as they just dont play enough games to do so anymore in voters eyes. It shouldn't matter as much as it seems to, but it does.

Wolf is having a great season and should be lauded heavily for it. It wont be with the Calder though. Im guessing he already has the all rookie team made however.

You clearly have never seen the Oiler media voting breakdown.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You clearly have never seen the Oiler media voting breakdown.

Well other than reading every year since they started publishing them, you are correct.

[Enoch Root]

Reading the Oiler's portion of the ATL was hilarious.

Remember when the Oilers 'won the off-season', signing valuable vets for pennies on the dollar because they were willing to take a discount to come to Edmonton?

Remember how Oiler fans said that Skinner would score 30 in EDM - easily! And remember how we said that 1) Skinner was garbage, and 2) scoring goals isn't Edmonton's problem, and 3) Skinner had no chance of scoring 30 because he wasn't going to get PP time or McDavid minutes?

Well it seems that the (no) good fans of Shelbyville have finally figured that out. Congrats, boys and girls.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not only is Wolf the leader for the Calder right now if he keeps it up and I see no reason why he won’t he you have be talking Vézina and Hart.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I've been saying this all season, but Pachal and Bahl have been great adds by Conroy.

Originally Posted by Goriders

Found money.

Hit from Pachal was awesome

The obvious - and over-stated - reason for the Flames' success this year is goaltending, and of course, their work ethic, but another big reason is that the defense has been MUCH better than expected.

We all knew the forwards were deep, if under-gunned. And we hoped (but didn't expect) that the goaltending would hold. But no one thought the D was going to be anything but porous.

Bahl was expected to be a 5-6 guy that could passibly log minutes, and hopefully continue to grow. Pachal had a decent showing last year in a limited role, but the hope was that he could be a decent #6. So we were dressing 2 top-4 guys, two third pairing guys, plus whatever Miromanov was going to be, plus another plug.

But both Bahl and Pachal have been revelations. Bahl has solidified himself as a #4, and a pretty good one. He is trending to be a #2 one day (hopefully paired with Parekh). And Pachal hasn't just been steady, he's been down right good, playing solidly in his own end, and throwing huge hits - he looks like Cory Sarich out there.

So, along with really good goaltending, we have also gotten a pretty decent collective defense - so much better than anyone expected. And the two keep supporting each other. And growing together.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

How many examples are there of rookie starting goalies putting up great numbers? Steve Mason, Andrew Raycroft and Nabokov won the Calder this century. I am just wondering if there were other rookie goalies who put up eye popping numbers who did not win in the past 20 years or so. I cannot remember any rookie goalies who had great years like Wolf is having. I wonder if goalies don’t win because of some sort of bias or if goalies don’t win because there is almost never a rookie goalie who has a good enough season to win.

Carter Hart lost out to Elias Pettersson who put up a PPG almost in his rookie year. Hart also split his time and only played 31 games.

Shesterkin was the starter but he lost out to Kaprizov who put up a PPG. Shesterkin probably had a legit beef. Sorokin was the same year but probably did not have a case to be considered.

I cannot think of many more starters who would have a case.

If Celebrini puts up a PPG on that roster he will be hard to beat.

You are making my point for me.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The obvious - and over-stated - reason for the Flames' success this year is goaltending, and of course, their work ethic, but another big reason is that the defense has been MUCH better than expected.

We all knew the forwards were deep, if under-gunned. And we hoped (but didn't expect) that the goaltending would hold. But no one thought the D was going to be anything but porous.

Bahl was expected to be a 5-6 guy that could passibly log minutes, and hopefully continue to grow. Pachal had a decent showing last year in a limited role, but the hope was that he could be a decent #6. So we were dressing 2 top-4 guys, two third pairing guys, plus whatever Miromanov was going to be, plus another plug.

But both Bahl and Pachal have been revelations. Bahl has solidified himself as a #4, and a pretty good one. He is trending to be a #2 one day (hopefully paired with Parekh). And Pachal hasn't just been steady, he's been down right good, playing solidly in his own end, and throwing huge hits - he looks like Cory Sarich out there.

So, along with really good goaltending, we have also gotten a pretty decent collective defense - so much better than anyone expected. And the two keep supporting each other. And growing together.

I agree with you. I thought the keys to this season would be goaltending. Which has been the biggest surprise. And the young D. Which has been pretty solid.

The achilles heel has been players like Kuzmenko and Sharongovich dissappearing off the map.

I have a feeling the Miromanov experiment might be over.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I’m pretty sure nobody had Huberdeau leading the team in goals on Dec 28th on their bingo card. Good to see.

Especially if someone had said that a year ago at this time when Huberdeau had yet to register his first point in the month of December.