[PGT] Flames Rule, Blackhawks Drool 6-4 Red team

[Royle9]

I will add that I’m ashamed to see how baby poop soft of a game Bedard plays.
The boys were giving it to him all game, especially Backs who was on him all game.

His theatrics and flops anytime someone comes near him makes McBaby look tough.
It was embarrassing and I’m hoping it’s just because he’s young. Even the refs were telling him to get up.

[UKflames]

Despite the score, that is a bad hawks team, it felt like we could do whatever we liked for the first two periods. The flames actually made it easier for the hawks to push back in the third by dropping their compete levels. If they had kept their foot on the gas the flames would have scored more.

Really impressed by Huberdeau, Zary (please can we get him signed to an extension) and Coranato at the moment.

Kadri continues to frustrate me. When he is dialed in, he is really good, but he loses the puck so many times. He should not be the puck carrier when on the pp, so many entrances die on his stick.

Great to get the win. Happy Christmas to everyone one on CP

[Sylvanfan]

With Coronato having burned a year of his ELC before accrueing a full professional season or service time, can he be offer-sheeted as a RFA this summer? What does a contract extension for him possibly look like? On one hand you'd like to go as long as you can to get that big potential back end value. But if you did like a 2 or 3 year bridge, he's still young enough to give a 8 year deal to at that point. You give him 8 years now...you might not want to do another long term deal with a 30 year old. But he is starting to show that he might be a guy with 30 goal scoring type upside.

[combustiblefuel]

Why is the conversation always centered around Coronatos next contract and not as much around Zary's?


Zary is arguably playing a harder role and has more points ( only by a bit). He's also not playing with backlund and Coleman and driving his whole line. I'd be more focused personally nailing him down first. Then Coronato.

Obviously, they both will be important going foreward but the conversation is always Coronato will be the clubs next big scorer. Zary is is ot pacing him ( slightly) and doing it as a rookie centre with another rookie on his line and Igor vs Backlund and Coleman who make everyone look good.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Why is the conversation always centered around Coronatos next contract and not as much around Zary's?

I actually have observed the opposite. I had seen more talk on Zary on various media platforms.

Both are important. Zary was drafted a year earlier and has played out all three years of his ELC and has 3 accrued seasons. So he's more known as he established himself as a NHL player last year and is now finding out if he'll be a center as opposed to a winger.

I ask because I'm not sure if Coronato can be offer sheeted in the summer like Zary can. Zary will be about to start his age 24 season next year. So to me he's in the range where you try to do 8 years as his last deal the Flames ever offer him unless he goes on to become a legacy type player. Just a matter if he's a center or winger to figure out price. Coronato is only a year younger...but you still have him as RFA for 5 years vs 4 and possible as an exclusive RFA. Although if he keeps up this level of play the Flames maybe give him a look at center? Although I think he's likely a winger.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

With Coronato having burned a year of his ELC before accrueing a full professional season or service time, can he be offer-sheeted as a RFA this summer?

No, he'll be in the same situation Johnny was at the end of his first contract, free to negotiate his next contract, but without the leverage of being able to sign an offer sheet.

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Why is the conversation always centered around Coronatos next contract and not as much around Zary's?

I suspect that for a lot of people, it's paranoia about American players based on the Flames history, where people are worried that any player who carries a US passport will want to leave Calgary as quickly as possible. Zary is a Western Canadian kid who grew up in Saskatoon and played junior in Kamloops, so that concern is lessened.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Oh absolutely he was protecting the picks from being top 10, but I would think that if you had offered Floridas first in 2025 that the trade would have been accepted all the same. It seems like Treliving paid a very heavy price for risk control, especially if we lose an 11th overall pick because of it.

I still think assuming your team will finish bottom 10 and getting protection written into the conditions sends a poor message to the players (if they care).

It was and is a terrible trade, but I think the message Tre was peddling is that he thought both the Flames and Panthers would be good, so it would be a pick in the 20's either way (with top 10 protection, just in case).

As noted, the problem with all of that is that a 1st for cap space is a terrible deal. Only slightly more defensible if it was the poorer of the 2 picks.

[Tsawwassen]

Post game links
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...c-c45f4bbf143b
https://www.espn.com/nhl/game/_/game...ckhawks-flames
https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401688128
https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/chicag...boxscore-42068
https://deadspin.com/flames-build-fo...ckhawks-rally/

https://flamesnation.ca/news/flames-...n-over-chicago
https://calgaryherald.com/sports/hoc...ver-blackhawks
https://wgnradio.com/blackhawks/blac...rt-in-calgary/
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/flames-ge...awks-1.7155134

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/calgar...ver-blackhawks
https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...rt-12-21-2024/

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Zary is looking really good at center IMO. Not worried about the faceoffs this year as that takes time… virtually every young player struggles with faceoffs to start their career. He’s poised with the puck and making smart plays in all 3 zones. Right now, he makes fewer mistakes than Kadri or Backlund. It could be that he’s getting sheltered matchups at home but he’s impressing so far at centre. Right now, I think he has a good chance to be a solid, skilled 2nd line center in this league. Which is a massive development for this organization.

Coronato looks equally impressive. I know the team is still leaning heavily on the vets (Huberdeau, Kadri, Backlund and Coleman) up front but it’s great to see Zary and Coronato doing so well. They are the offensive drivers whenever they are on the ice.

To the bolded - yes, you are absolutely right. It takes a lot of experience, and it will help when he puts on a bit more strength as well.


However, probably even more important is the apparent bias that linesmen have - vets get to cheat more, and rookies have to play it straight. I remember Joe Colborne talking about this in an Eric Francis article from way back, about how when he tries to do what some of the vets he is going up against do, the vets will point it out and the linesmen forced Colborne to straighten out, or waived him, but continually allowed the veteran centres to cheat. He said it is a reputation thing, and rookies/young players just don't get an even chance on draws. I found it interesting. After that article came out, miraculously Colborne started having much higher F/O percentages.


At any rate, I agree with your take - the Flames just might have their #2 C long-term here. I would still feel better if they drafted another 2 or 3 Cs, and two of them pushed Zary down to the 3C, but I am definitely becoming more confident that he could end up as the #2 guy for the Flames for the next decade.