If you compare in the era it was more of a level playing feild because so many were juicing. Where it is tainted is the records, those are records during all eras including where there wasn't juicing.
And even then every era has it's flaws though.
Go back far enough and they didn't play night games or have to play against African American or Latin players since they were segregated to their own leagues.
Changes to the pitching mound vs previous eras, etc.
And even then Steroids were around in the 60's and 70's too, just wasn't as obvious.
Apparently Rickey Henderson has passed away at the age of 65. It was exciting when we had him for a bit. Brings up memories of our last World Series as he was on base when Joe hit that home run.
for those that might be too young, important to highlight that while he was far and away the stolen base king, he was much more than a base stealer (as reflected in his standing as one of the top 20 WAR totals of alltime)
I'm a big Raines guy, and I think Raines was a no brainer HOFer, the best lead off man in the NL for a decade and has a case at one of the best lead off guys ever, but in the AL his direct contemporary was the gold standard. Raines was Brad Park, Henderson was Orr
best leadoff man ever for sure
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for those that might be too young, important to highlight that while he was far and away the stolen base king, he was much more than a base stealer (as reflected in his standing as one of the top 20 WAR totals of alltime)
I'm a big Raines guy, and I think Raines was a no brainer HOFer, the best lead off man in the NL for a decade and has a case at one of the best lead off guys ever, but in the AL his direct contemporary was the gold standard. Raines was Brad Park, Henderson was Orr
best leadoff man ever for sure
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In a sport that relies on the historical consistency of its numbers, Henderson obliterated the record book, owning the all-time stolen-base record with 1,406, an astounding 468 more than the St. Louis Cardinals great Lou Brock, who held the record of 938 for a dozen years before Henderson surpassed him in 1991. Henderson holds the records for the most stolen bases in a single season with 130 in 1982, the most times leading the league in steals with 12 and most consecutive years leading the league in steals with seven. As a 39-year-old in 1998 with Oakland, Henderson became the oldest player in history to lead the American League in steals with 66.
Following his final season in 2003, Henderson finished with 3,055 hits and left the game holding the all-time marks in steals, runs scored (2,295) and walks (2,190), a record now held by Barry Bonds (2,558). He was named to 10 All-Star Games and finished his career with 111.1 Wins Above Replacement, third most of anyone in the last half-century, behind only Bonds and Alex Rodriguez, both of whom used performance-enhancing drugs.
Henderson was a first-ballot inductee to the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 2009, receiving votes from 94.8% of electors.
"I've been saying this for years: Rickey wasn't just great. That doesn't say enough for me," Hall of Famer Reggie Jackson once said. "He's one of the top 10 to 12 players of all time. That's how good Rickey was."
If I were a betting man I'd have put money he'd have been with the Jays. But alas, execs, especially like Atkins, tend to not admit they made a mistake, by bringing back old players, so I shouldn't be surprised he's not back. It's a hefty contract AAV, but the term isn't bad. It says to be they still have their priorities with a bigger fish, but I wouldn't have opposed to this deal if he was playing DH.
I think Teo's first choice was to sign with the Dodgers, so no big surprise he did.
Just boring watching the Jays do nothing to upgrade (well, offensively anyways). Maybe they have something up their sleeves soon because between a quiet winter and the looming Vladdy/Bo contracts I'm definitely ready for a new management team.
My guess is for the same term and money, and, Vlad was going to be in Toronto longer term, Teo would've signed with the Jays and play again with his good buddy.
So, either Atkins didn't want to give up the term or $ (and $ is ok), or, Vlad isn't going to be back with the Jays.
My guess is for the same term and money, and, Vlad was going to be in Toronto longer term, Teo would've signed with the Jays and play again with his good buddy.
So, either Atkins didn't want to give up the term or $ (and $ is ok), or, Vlad isn't going to be back with the Jays.
No, you're reading too much into it and coming to your own conclusion. He's been vocal that he wanted to remain a Dodger, so all they needed to do was put forth a fair offer and he was going to sign.
