24/25 Calgary Flames Roster and Line Combination Discussion Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Sometimes, but let’s not pretend that’s the norm.

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But I also think it's more indicative of what his current situation was than it was any sort of indication of his long term upside.

When he was waived NHL GMs were in the process of having to trim down their rosters, and claiming him would have meant having to make a decision on another player.

He was also coming off a injury plagued season that saw him underperform his previous play at both the NHL and AHL level, so that was also going to be factored in when needing to keep him on your NHL roster.

Add that LW is also not generally a big position of need for most teams he cleared waivers (generally C, Dmen, and goalies are more likely to get claimed at the start of season waivers).

GMs were making a short term decision when they decided not to pick him up, not a long term decision.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

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But I also think it's more indicative of what his current situation was than it was any sort of indication of his long term upside.

When he was waived NHL GMs were in the process of having to trim down their rosters, and claiming him would have meant having to make a decision on another player.

He was also coming off a injury plagued season that saw him underperform his previous play at both the NHL and AHL level, so that was also going to be factored in when needing to keep him on your NHL roster.

Add that LW is also not generally a big position of need for most teams he cleared waivers (generally C, Dmen, and goalies are more likely to get claimed at the start of season waivers).

GMs were making a short term decision when they decided not to pick him up, not a long term decision.

All true, but 31 other GM’s decided what they had was better than him.

It doesn’t mean he has no chance of an NHL career, but he’s likely more suspect than prospect at this stage.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

All true, but 31 other GM’s decided what they had was better than him.

It doesn’t mean he has no chance of an NHL career, but he’s likely more suspect than prospect at this stage.

There’s more to the decision than just whether or not he’s better than what they have, so that conclusion isn’t really valid.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

There’s more to the decision than just whether or not he’s better than what they have, so that conclusion isn’t really valid.

If they really liked him, it's likely not a hard choice. Every team is looking to improve theirs. All that it means that no one liked him better than what they had, and always giving the benefit of the doubt to what you have. Everything being equal, you keep what you got.

The fact is, the Flames likely felt he would pass through waivers and were willing to take that risk.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If they really liked him, it's likely not a hard choice. Every team is looking to improve theirs. All that it means that no one liked him better than what they had, and always giving the benefit of the doubt to what you have. Everything being equal, you keep what you got.

The fact is, the Flames likely felt he would pass through waivers and were willing to take that risk.

Again, that’s not what it means (in terms of no one liking him better). There are consequences to waiver claims, including to flexibility, line combinations, cap space, and roster limits.

Unless you actually believe that the only players that pass through waivers are players are always worse than the 18-21 players on every other team, then you’re making a conclusion that isn’t really based on anything.

And there’s a reason waivers are full of players around that time and very few get claimed. Generally, it has very little to do with the made up idea that everyone who isn’t on waivers is better than everyone in the league who is.

[Dozer]

What are Rooneys advanced stats like compared to Kirkland? I don't understand putting him in over Kirkland. Rooney has 5 pts in 53 games, Kirkland has 5 in 9. . Does Rooney have great face off numbers?

[Lewis_D]

I just hope we can get our production up back to like it was during the first couple games. It's alot easier to accept the loses when guys like Zary and Coronato are scoring.

[Samonadreau]

I love how they have given Kirkland an opportunity. Shows the guys in the A that no matter how old you are if you earn a spot you get a shot.

[chedder]

All of the forwards drafted around Pelletier are still in the AHL except for Beecher and McMichael. Interesting, most of them (except Beecher, who is big) weigh around 180 and are 6 foot. Give or take an inch and 5 lbs. So is Pelletier really all that small listed at 5'11" 180?

[1qqaaz]

I really don't think Jakob Pelletier is more than 5'9". In fact I'm pretty sure he's closer to 5'8". If he's really 180 lbs, that's a pretty good weight for his height.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

I just hope we can get our production up back to like it was during the first couple games. It's alot easier to accept the loses when guys like Zary and Coronato are scoring.

Losing 5-4 can still be very entertaining.

Losing 5-0 and 5-1... not so much

[chedder]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I really don't think Jakob Pelletier is more than 5'9". In fact I'm pretty sure he's closer to 5'8". If he's really 180 lbs, that's a pretty good weight for his height.

Could be. But if so, then I'd guess every smaller player's listed height and weight would be generous.

[Bingo]

A former first round pick that played in a WJC, has produced at the AHL level, and had two injuries in the past season have runway left.

Getting through waivers on glut day with those injuries relatively recent doesn't change that.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by chedder

All of the forwards drafted around Pelletier are still in the AHL except for Beecher and McMichael. Interesting, most of them (except Beecher, who is big) weigh around 180 and are 6 foot. Give or take an inch and 5 lbs. So is Pelletier really all that small listed at 5'11" 180?

Pelletier is small. It’s why he’s always injured.

I wonder about guys like him. You’re a pro athlete with access to all of the resources and specialists. It’s your career and you can’t get in the gym and adjust your diet to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by enoch root

losing 5-4 can still be very entertaining.

Losing 5-0 and 5-1... Not so much

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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Pelletier is small. It’s why he’s always injured.

I wonder about guys like him. You’re a pro athlete with access to all of the resources and specialists. It’s your career and you can’t get in the gym and adjust your diet to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle?

He's been healthy but for back to back shoulder injuries.

Larger, heavier guys don't get shoulder injuries?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Pelletier is small. It’s why he’s always injured.

I wonder about guys like him. You’re a pro athlete with access to all of the resources and specialists. It’s your career and you can’t get in the gym and adjust your diet to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle?

No he really can't, he cannot naturally put on that much extra mass naturally. That is a huge amount of extra muscle, what you're asking for is crazy. Unless he's a real outlier genetic freak who can put on a gorilla physique, which he isn't, he is pretty close to his genetic potential already. What you're asking for is PEDs.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by saillias

No he really can't, he cannot naturally put on that much extra mass naturally. That is a huge amount of extra muscle, what you're asking for is crazy. Unless he's a real outlier genetic freak who can put on a gorilla physique, which he isn't, he is pretty close to his genetic potential already. What you're asking for is PEDs.

This. I have heard how difficult it is to put on muscle weight for pro hockey players - especially younger ones. The offseason is short and they can’t spend every second of it lifting weights and eating protein… they have to keep up their cardio/endurance as well. And they have to spend time on the ice to keep their skills sharp. And then, once the season starts, they’re playing so much hockey (games + practices) that they tend to lose weight as the season goes along.

Obviously, they are dedicated pros so they do what they can to gain muscle mass and strength… but it’s really difficult for these types of athletes to gain that much muscle mass without it costing them in some other areas of their game. They could end up losing some of their endurance doing less cardio in favour of weight training. Or they could end up starting the season poorly because they have not spent much time on the ice practicing their actual hockey skillsets because they spent all their time weight training.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by saillias

No he really can't, he cannot naturally put on that much extra mass naturally. That is a huge amount of extra muscle, what you're asking for is crazy. Unless he's a real outlier genetic freak who can put on a gorilla physique, which he isn't, he is pretty close to his genetic potential already. What you're asking for is PEDs.

Make it so.