[PGT] the game is over

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Keep giving the Jets wins, they will still have an attendance problem.

Christ. It's just 1 loss man, flames will be fine.

Also don't look now but the Flames attendance isn't exactly flattering

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I lol'd.

Wolf was fantastic. Looks like a legit number 1

The Jets were the second best team last night, and were fortunate to win. Full stop.

The 1st and 3rd goals were total flukes, and getting 3 calls in the final 7 minutes of a tie game was... not typical game management - let's put it that way.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by zuluking

Each year I think the reffing can’t get worse and then it does. At this point, it exceeds plausible incompetence.

Reffing quality graph is inverse to the game betting graph.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Jets were the second best team last night, and were fortunate to win. Full stop.

The 1st and 3rd goals were total flukes, and getting 3 calls in the final 7 minutes of a tie game was... not typical game management - let's put it that way.

OK? I was chuckling at the ridiculous notion the Jets are the darlings of the league and head office. That's all.

See ya in January in the Peg

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I get that we just killed off a 5 on 3, but the Kadri penalty was a blatant slash in front of the ref. I don't see how calling that is considered game management. Sorry (not sorry), we deserved that penalty.

Either we complain the refs put away their whistles, or we complain that they call everything...pick a lane!

If it was a Jets player slashing us, regardless of if they had already taken penalties, I would want them penalized.

Take the L. Move on.

It's not that it wasn't a penalty, it's that games are called a particular way - rightly or wrongly - and then that call was incongruous and inappropriate, based on how they are called.

First, there are probably 15-20 callable infractions in any given game, but only a portion of them are called. And it isn't that the ones called are the most egregious (if that were the case, then fine), it's that the ones called are called because the refs feel that it's time to call that team for a penalty. In other words, the refs don't make calls based on the severity of the infraction, they make calls based on what they feel is appropriate for the game - how many have been called on each team already, what's the score, etc. In other words: game management.

Second - within the context of how refs DO call a game - that was a situation where they would almost certainly NOT call a penalty. 1) it was late in the 3rd period of a tie game (where they typically 'let the players decide it'), 2) they had just given the Jets a 5 on 3 powerplay moments earlier, 3) it was 175' from the Flames net and it didn't cause a scoring chance or even a turnover - in other words, it had no impact on the play, and 4) they had recently NOT called a couple pretty clear infractions the other way. In other words, the refs' 'internal game score' should have read that no penalty be called.

But they called it anyway.

It wasn't a terrible call because it wasn't a penalty (by the book, it was an infraction). It was a terrible call because, based on the way the refs call a game, they never call that. And it decided the game. And frankly, ruined a good game.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yet other players on the Jets gave the referee something to call and they didn't. The NHL has an officiating problem and have for years and as long as Gary Bettman is in charge nothing is changing. His game management bs system along with not holding any accountability to his officiating staff has really hurt the integrity of the game.

That is why I said the refereeing was lopsided.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Just wanted to weigh in on the reffing... I do think the ref that called the penalty on Kadri messed up, and here's why:



-sometimes a penalty always has to be called. If it takes away a scoring chance, or creates a scoring chance, or it causes injury, or had the potential to cause injury... that has to be called every time.



-if it's anything else, then ref does have a decision to make. And then, context matters. When the context is that the Jets just had 2:30 of poweplay time, including 1:30 of 5 on 3, and couldn't score... why the hell are you giving them another chance, late in the game, on a ticky-tack call?



The call isn't wrong. It's just not good refereeing, in my opinion.

Yeah, agreed.

I personally thought that the trip on Andersson was a bad call. And when the Flames killed it successfully, that should have been it. Often, an official will let ticky-tacky stuff go after a marginal call l7ke that—especially on the heels of a long 5-on-3. I was floored by the Kardi call last night. Then, livid at the result.

I think it's the most emotionally investedI have been in a game since 2022.

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[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, agreed.

I personally thought that the trip on Andersson was a bad call. And when the Flames killed it successfully, that should have been it. Often, an official will let ticky-tacky stuff go after a marginal call l7ke that—especially on the heels of a long 5-on-3. I was floored by the Kardi call last night. Then, livid at the result.

I think it's the most emotionally investedI have been in a game since 2022.

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Me too! The dome was charged up and the standing o after the 5 on 3 kill was giving me goosebumps. Having that raw emotion is what makes it so fun. Didn’t feel forced, came naturally from an exciting game between two good teams. And then the refs had to go a ruin it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Wolf is a star.

Keep Andersson and Kuzmenko.

Huberdeau… I don’t understand how a guy who’s entire move set seems to be “stop skating and force a low-percentage pass” has 727 career points.

Kadri… less is more, buddy. Pass the puck.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Vast majority of NHL players interviewed during Media Weekend said they believe refs should have to do post game interviews with the media (to explain calls, etc). (The Athletic players poll.)

Daly (Bettman's eventual successor) said that NHL refs will continue to be off-limits for the foreseeable future.

Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/577...tir-expansion/

Transparency shines a light on corners some would prefer remain in the shadows.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Locke

I presume you're attending the riot? We go Tuesdays and Thursdays and we meet at the Pub.

Which night is the laugh riot?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Which night is the laugh riot?

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/schedule

[dammage79]

Flames should have gotten the W but discipline was an issue at the most inopportune times. On top of two wacky goals against Wolf.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's not that it wasn't a penalty, it's that games are called a particular way - rightly or wrongly - and then that call was incongruous and inappropriate, based on how they are called.

First, there are probably 15-20 callable infractions in any given game, but only a portion of them are called. And it isn't that the ones called are the most egregious (if that were the case, then fine), it's that the ones called are called because the refs feel that it's time to call that team for a penalty. In other words, the refs don't make calls based on the severity of the infraction, they make calls based on what they feel is appropriate for the game - how many have been called on each team already, what's the score, etc. In other words: game management.

Second - within the context of how refs DO call a game - that was a situation where they would almost certainly NOT call a penalty. 1) it was late in the 3rd period of a tie game (where they typically 'let the players decide it'), 2) they had just given the Jets a 5 on 3 powerplay moments earlier, 3) it was 175' from the Flames net and it didn't cause a scoring chance or even a turnover - in other words, it had no impact on the play, and 4) they had recently NOT called a couple pretty clear infractions the other way. In other words, the refs' 'internal game score' should have read that no penalty be called.

But they called it anyway.

It wasn't a terrible call because it wasn't a penalty (by the book, it was an infraction). It was a terrible call because, based on the way the refs call a game, they never call that. And it decided the game. And frankly, ruined a good game.

I like it when people take the time to articulate exactly what I’m thinking.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by OldSam

FROM THE GAME THREAD. I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE HERE TOO.



I watched the last half of the Canucks/Pens 3rd period. The Pens got within 1 goal. They were pushing to tie the game, the Canucks were pushing back. There were close to a half dozen infractions "that are always called". The refs called none of them. None. They let the players decide who won the game. Call the game fairly. All I ever want.

WhineOut said that the late calls mirrored early borderline calls on the Jets, so it was fair game.

Yeah, the difference is those ones are called with 2+ periods left, Flames penalties are called in the last 7 minutes, which leaves no time to try to answer if they get scored on.

Circumstance counts for a lot.

If I had a dollar for every time a team we played took two straight penalties and committed further obvious infractions on said penalties but for the refs to cap it there and look the other way on the extras. That's pretty well par for the course, except for the Flames late last night for whatever reason.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Wolf is a star.

Keep Andersson and Kuzmenko.

Huberdeau… I don’t understand how a guy who’s entire move set seems to be “stop skating and force a low-percentage pass” has 727 career points.

Kadri… less is more, buddy. Pass the puck.

Kadri isn't going to turn into a passer at this stage of his career. He has always had a shoot first mentality.

[Fire]

Trade Andersson while he's hot and trade Kuzmenko at the deadline. I know people like being hard on Kadri but he's probably been the Flames best forward this season.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Flames should have gotten the W but discipline was an issue at the most inopportune times. On top of two wacky goals against Wolf.

I thought Wolf was the best player on the ice for either team, which suggests that the Jets had a lot of chances.

Calgary's first two goals from the side of the rink were also pretty random.

It was a strange game all over the place.

The Jets 2 PP goals and 1 SH goal was clearly the difference. The Jets basically won due to superior firepower.

The Dome was rocking, it was a very entertaining game. We will lose our share of 50/50 games.

Flames continued to work hard which is a very good thing to see.

[Enoch Root]

The Jets won because they got 2 lucky bounces, on their 1st and 3rd goals.

The Flames had more quality chances

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The Jets won because they got 2 lucky bounces, on their 1st and 3rd goals.

The Flames had more quality chances

It was Extremely Wild Luck day for both Winnipeg teams yesterday.