Let's talk about the goaltending situation.

[The Fonz]

This seems settled

[Reggie Dunlop]

Or Devin Cooley could be the next Adam Werner and Waltteri Ignatjew the next Artem Zagidullin.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Of course you can't expect a Kiprusoff to emerge all the time, but he really is a perfect example.

He showed a few flashes in San Jose, but never had sustained playing time. He wasn't a goalie that was great coming in cold and San Jose didn't have the patience at the time to work through it.

As soon as he got to Calgary and was given the reins, he settled in with consistency. Some goalies just need to play a lot. And as amazing as Kiprusoff was in Calgary, he would still have the occasional bad goal or even bad game, but if instead of resting him the next game, you knew if you put him right back in, he'd come back gang busters.

Vladar is here now and is at the age where a lot of goalies emerge, so we might as well see what's there. What's the worst that happen... the team loses and we get a high draft pick? Or maybe he does emerge and we have a tradeable asset?

I was talking about Cooley, the OP said he has big potential. I don’t see it. That doesn’t mean he can’t make it but I don’t see it based on his track record

Vladar has a better chance. He had real minor league success and NHL experience.

[Flamesfan05]

Wolf based on AHL credentials will be given every chance to succeed

Vladar will get more opportunities based on experience

Cooley will on be there is the other 2 failed miserably or injured

[Sample00]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Wolf based on AHL credentials will be given every chance to succeed

Vladar will get more opportunities based on experience

Cooley will on be there is the other 2 failed miserably or injured

well, at least we dont have a shortage of goalies if all of them crap the bed.

[PuckSlap]

I’m not worried about the new management around this team giving wolf enough time to get settled in. We are not in a Win now situation.

I only really hope that if neither of our goaltenders work out, that we don’t let it go so long that the rest of the team suffers. I’m talking a couple years, not 50 games.

[gvitaly]

My thoughts:
Cooley will be waived, and he won't be claimed.

The reason Cooley won't be claimed is simple - he's largely an unknown around the league, and most teams are set in goal. Most teams wouldn't want to carry 3 goalies, either.

There's a zero chance that the Flames start the season with 3 goalies.

Starting Wolf in the AHL, or waiving Vladar is just a bad asset management at this point.

That said, even if we lose Cooley, then realistically it's a non issue. We got a free asset, and unless he outperforms the other 2 goalies by quite a bit, he's going to be starting in the AHL and be an insurance policy in case of injuries.

[activeStick]

Unless there is a team that is in critical need for an unproven backup goalie, I also don't see Cooley getting picked off waivers. The team picking him up would have their very own three-headed monster in goal to deal with too. I see him clearing.

[Goriders]

Wolf looked like a stud tonight

[getbak]

I assume Cooley and Vladar will get the starts in the split-squad games against the Oilers.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by getbak

I assume Cooley and Vladar will get the starts in the split-squad games against the Oilers.

I suspect

Vladar/Ignatjew

Cooley/Wolf

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I suspect

Vladar/Ignatjew

Cooley/Wolf

I would be surprised to see Wolf play in back to back games.

[EVERLAST]

I'm rooting for all our goalies I am but I think we end up with Wolf Ignatjew down the line

VLADAR has been given a ton more rope than previous goalies and Craig even acknowledged that In interviews recently when talking about Ortio.

I think we failed some other ones as well

Ramo I think could have been better with a different goalie coach, Talbot wasn't terrible, McElhinney, Karlsson and some others come to mind .


Irving , Ortio, Gillies, come to mind and Giguere from a long long time ago . And go ahead and say he was the Michelin man dude was unreal when he needed to be .

Admitted. Goalies are voodoo but they don't have to be. Glad we have the Wranglers here now so we can see , fix , develop them better . What a great luxury

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

I'm rooting for all our goalies I am but I think we end up with Wolf Ignatjew down the line

VLADAR has been given a ton more rope than previous goalies and Craig even acknowledged that In interviews recently when talking about Ortio.

I think we failed some other ones as well

Ramo I think could have been better with a different goalie coach, Talbot wasn't terrible, McElhinney, Karlsson and some others come to mind .


Irving , Ortio, Gillies, come to mind and Giguere from a long long time ago . And go ahead and say he was the Michelin man dude was unreal when he needed to be .

Admitted. Goalies are voodoo but they don't have to be. Glad we have the Wranglers here now so we can see , fix , develop them better . What a great luxury

Ramo - I thought it was a terrible injury that ended Ramo's career with the Flames. He was a decent goalie.

Hiller - was great in year 1, was the worst goalie in the league in year 2(3 headed monster in net).

Brossiot/McBackup - both turned out to be very good backup goalies, too bad it wasn't with the Flames.

Rittich/Talbot - posted pretty good numbers with the Flames, but that loss to Dallas was a huge stinker after going up 3-0 in game 6.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

I'm rooting for all our goalies I am but I think we end up with Wolf Ignatjew down the line

VLADAR has been given a ton more rope than previous goalies and Craig even acknowledged that In interviews recently when talking about Ortio.

I think we failed some other ones as well

Ramo I think could have been better with a different goalie coach, Talbot wasn't terrible, McElhinney, Karlsson and some others come to mind .


Irving , Ortio, Gillies, come to mind and Giguere from a long long time ago . And go ahead and say he was the Michelin man dude was unreal when he needed to be .

Admitted. Goalies are voodoo but they don't have to be. Glad we have the Wranglers here now so we can see , fix , develop them better . What a great luxury

I don’t get the ‘Vladar has been given so much rope’ thing. As if he has been a problem here.

He was brought in as a backup. He’s been deployed as a backup. Markstrom was clearly the starter. 3 seasons, all between 23-27 games and 19-23 starts.
Never sheltered, Markstrom got pretty much all of the starts against non playoff teams.

His save pct has tracked Markstrom’s, his record has been basically equal or better. His first 2 years he was 13-6-2, and 14-6-5 against mostly playoff teams. What more could you ask for?

Last year him and Markstrom were both around .500, on a team that was dismantled and him playing through injury that needed surgery. Lots of stuff going on. You can’t tear down a team to the studs and expect your goalies to achieve good results. I didn’t see Markstrom playing through anything needing surgery and he was no better.

Remember the Kipper years, when the org couldn’t trust the backup and Kipper was starting over 70 games? What more do you want from the guy?

Sigalet said he thinks Vladar is a potential #1. Maybe not a superstar but a starter.

Having said that, Ignatjew has looked very good so far

Wolf has looked good in certain instances, and been torched in others. But that’s not uncommon for any young goalie. Hopefully he can grab the starter role and be a Vezina caliber goalie


It is nice to have good depth and prospects at the position. I think Markstrom was overrated and won’t be particularly missed

[Paulie Walnuts]

Agreed on Markstrom. I would have kept Talbot especially for the cap savings.

[dissentowner]

After watching Cooley tonight I think Steinberg and Co were right when they said don't count him out. He is big and he looks like he has a better tool box than Vladar imo. I can see why not only the Flames goaltending staff but a lot of goalie guru types think he has big upside. He made some ridiculous ten bell saves tonight, a couple at point blank. I think we got something here.

[Calgary4LIfe]

There is no way that Vladar is unquestionably 'not starter material' in this league. I think the Flames have a very nice collection suddenly of legitimate potential with all 4 of their pro goalies in North America - Wolf, Vladar, Ignatjew and Cooley. Sounds like Cooley had a hell of a game. I am glad that Vancouver signed a goalie, as I thought that they may pick off Cooley from waivers with the injury issues they have.



I think the Flames will be decent in net this year. A very green defence that will be allowing a few too many high danger chances, but I bet that there won't be many losses in which we blame the goalies. I think there is at least one legitimately good starter out of the 4, and possibly more.

[Reggie Dunlop]

It’ll all be moot when Yegorov comes over.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

After watching Cooley tonight I think Steinberg and Co were right when they said don't count him out. He is big and he looks like he has a better tool box than Vladar imo. I can see why not only the Flames goaltending staff but a lot of goalie guru types think he has big upside. He made some ridiculous ten bell saves tonight, a couple at point blank. I think we got something here.

I'd like to see Cooley put up better AHL numbers with the Wranglers first. .891SV% last season doesn't instill a ton of confidence after one game. But we'll see.