[Signing] Penguins extend Crosby (2 years, $8.7m AAV)

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

$144m so far.

Probably not including endorsements or sponsorships?

Good for him.

I hated him as a whiny kid, but over his career? I think he's the best hockey player to ever lace up skates.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Lebron James is of the exact same generation. He has taken zero discounts to better supplement the team around him. Neither should he. He deserves every penny.

Steph Curry - although just a bit younger - just signed an extension worth $62M+ per season. He could have taken half that and loaded up his team to better position for a title.

The NHLPA and NBAPA would be furious if star players started doing this en masse. That act would entirely undermine their entire efforts and all players salaries as a whole.

Thankfully hockey is a team sport, where teamwork wins championships.

Basketball is not.

So don't treat it as such.

Players take their fair value and always have, but a player like Crosby understands that winning takes a full team, and in a salary cap league, that means other pieces need to be added as well.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No, it is not possible.

That would be blatant cap circumvention.

And if there is one thing the NHL hates, it's cap circumvention.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Both guys you have mentioned also have mitts full of championship rings. Neither needs to win another championship to secure legacy.

Contrarily, it is looking more likely every year that Draisaitl and McDavid will not win. They came uncomfortably close last year but both have since made moves that make repeating less likely, fortunately!

Well this is the problem. Signing for the league max doesn't mean you give your team a better chance of winning. Increasing the salary cap increases individual salaries which still results in the same thing.

I am all for players getting paid what is fair and what they earn, but hockey is a team sport and the idea of 1-2 players taking up a super high percentage of the salary cap doesn't quite make sense when you can argue that they don't provide the same percentage value when it comes to winning a championship.

This is why the repeated whining by people like Allan Walsh about players salaries in the NHL being so low is amusing. This isn't the one man show league like the NBA.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Both guys you have mentioned also have mitts full of championship rings. Neither needs to win another championship to secure legacy.

Contrarily, it is looking more likely every year that Draisaitl and McDavid will not win. They came uncomfortably close last year but both have since made moves that make repeating less likely, fortunately!

Crosby has 3 cups. He doesn't need to take a discount for legacy purposes either, imo.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Locke

Probably not including endorsements or sponsorships?

Good for him.

I hated him as a whiny kid, but over his career? I think he's the best hockey player to ever lace up skates.

Forbes says he earns around $5m per year from endorsements

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Both guys you have mentioned also have mitts full of championship rings. Neither needs to win another championship to secure legacy.

Contrarily, it is looking more likely every year that Draisaitl and McDavid will not win. They came uncomfortably close last year but both have since made moves that make repeating less likely, fortunately!

NBA is much easier to illustrate this effect.

Bradley Beal - $50M per year
Tyrese Halliburton - $49M Per year
Anthony Edwards - $49M per year
Karl Anthony Towns - $55M per year
Devin Booker - $55M per year
Scottie Barnes $45M per year

Zero championships. Zero discounts.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Ovi and Sid were quite unique in showing loyalty to a franchise and taking less to increase their chances to win. No surprise that they won...

Compare that to franchise players who haven't won...

It did help that both players were good enough that they cold be confident that they would set milestones and win cups. Crosby without his cups is going to leave a lot on the table when it comes to sponsorships and alternative sources of income.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

The NHLPA and NBAPA would be furious if star players started doing this en masse. That act would entirely undermine their entire efforts and all players salaries as a whole.

This is such a dumb argument. The cap is based on a percentage of revenues, and does not change one bit if top guys decide to take less.

In fact, if the top guys take less, the money is going from them directly to the depth players. In essence, the median salary of the NHL goes up if they do this, and total salaries stay the same.

That seems like a huge win for the union.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

This is such a dumb argument. The cap is based on a percentage of revenues, and does not change one bit if top guys decide to take less.

In fact, if the top guys take less, the money is going from them directly to the depth players. In essence, the median salary of the NHL goes up if they do this, and total salaries stay the same.

That seems like a huge win for the union.

They want to have whatever puts the most pressure on GMs and Owners, because that's the best way to either get a softer cap or increase the revenue share.

And the top guys pushing or asking for more probably helps achieve that.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

This is such a dumb argument. The cap is based on a percentage of revenues, and does not change one bit if top guys decide to take less.

lol ok.

top guys taking less isn't going to get mid-level players/low-level players paid more.

what kind of socialism crock is this?

the top level guys consistently pushing for max dollars is what effectively contributes to the "teams capping out".

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

lol ok.

top guys taking less isn't going to get mid-level players/low-level players paid more.

Of course it is, because the players are guaranteed 50% of HRR. If the top players take less, then less money is clawed back through escrow and all the players get a bigger percentage of their actual contracts.

what kind of socialism crock is this?

It's called a union contract.

the top level guys consistently pushing for max dollars is what effectively contributes to the "teams capping out".

The system isn't designed for all the teams to be capped out. It's designed for teams to have an average payroll right at the midpoint. That has never happened, so the difference is paid back via escrow.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Paying top players isn’t the issue.

Paying players like Neal, Lucic, and Brouwer screw up the cap and make it harder to pay and keep your stars.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Deegee

Hockey players have always tried to get maximum value for themselves in every generation. I don't think we should take a couple who haven't from last generation and use that to compare to Drai.

If you were a professional sports player with an unknown career length you would do the same thing.

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[indes]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

When I was young, I hated Crosby and thought he was a whiny baby. Now it's basically the opposite. He's a very good representation of for hockey.

I can't remember what video/podcast it was but they were showing the difference between what Crosby had to battle through and McDavid getting the white glove treatment.

Crosby may have been a bit whiney but he had to put up with some serious #### when he came into the league, he had to earn it every game and the vets targeted the hell out of him.

McDavid would've broken down completely if he had overcome...well anything.

Crosby is amazing and one of the best of all time

[CSharp]

That's still a heck of a deal for the Pens! Always wished he was a member of the Flames, even when he was concussed.

[カナダ人です]

Crosby had 42 goals and 94 points last season, in addition to being one of the best faceoff centres in the league and playing a solid 2-way game.

$8.7M for Crosby is a steal.

At $14M, is Draisaitl really worth $5.3M a season more that Crosby? He's obviously worth more, but I don't think he is THAT much better!

Great deal for the Pens.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

lol ok.

top guys taking less isn't going to get mid-level players/low-level players paid more.

what kind of socialism crock is this?

the top level guys consistently pushing for max dollars is what effectively contributes to the "teams capping out".

Yes, it would actually. Total player salaries has to equal 50% of revenue, no matter what. The more the stars get, the less everyone else gets and vice versa.

[Enoch Root]

I am shocked that Crosby re-signed with PIT for $8.7M... I was sure he was going to take a discount to go win in EDM.

[Mattman]

Death, Taxes, and Sidney Crosby making 8.7 mil.