You know...at least McGroarty was honest about it with the Jets.
He could have just said he was going back to college, pushed the whole thing out a year, and then they actually get worse value back for him.
-He was up front with the Jets early.
-Doesn't appear that he gave then a very limited list of teams
-He didn't just wait and threaten to go to UFA
It sucks for the Jets but at least Mcgroarty handled it in a way that actually allowed the Jets to maximize his value, and IMO actually were able to get equal (or maybe even better) value back for him.
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Maybe all picks in the first two rounds get boilerplate deals they sign when they enter the draft. Automatically signed. Helps level the playing field for all non sought after destinations.
The solution is that a max value ELC should act as type of "Qualifying Offer"
If I drafted you, and I offer you a max value ELC, then I retain your rights as an RFA, even if you refuse to sign.
It doesn't force a player to sign with that team, but it helps the drafting team maintain a position of leverage in the trade negotiations by removing the threat of UFA for College players or draft re-entry for junior players.
I think that soon enough here we are also going to see CHL players refuse to sign after two years and end up back in the draft if they think it's better for them or they could end up in a better circumstance.
I'm surprised we aren't seeing it happen more already...somebody like Jagger Firkus for example...he could have chosen not to sign with Seattle...could have been back in the draft and potentially could have landed in a more favourable spot.
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Maybe all picks in the first two rounds get boilerplate deals they sign when they enter the draft. Automatically signed. Helps level the playing field for all non sought after destinations.
Probably should just make it for all 7 rounds that way a player gets something in the form of monetary compensation. Sliding scale down to a mandatory two way contract for 7th round picks where they say get 3 years at 150K US to play in the ECHL for 3 years.
You look at a player like Riley Bruce, who was drafted by the Flames and was never given a contract. I bet 450K US could have really helped him. It would help the 6th and 7th rounders avoid non sought destinations like not playing pro hockey.
Add maybe 20K a round for the minor league contract so the 1st rounder gets 270K to play in the minors, to reflect higher draft position. The guys in the minors won’t affect the cap and would not affect the split for the NHL guys so it would solve lots of problems.
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How do you solve it? You can't make someone sign. Athletes already have very few rights.
Depending how the NCAA and major Junior issue gets worked out that might help do it. If that ever did change so major junior players could go to the NCAA after 2 or 3 years, than all teams hold a drafted players rights for 4 years. If the player does not sign, they re-enter the draft and their rights are held for one additional year. After that they are a free agent. If that lawsuit sticks, now all players have a place to play for 4 years, and if anything junior guys would have the advantage delaying their NCAA start.
Current NHL players will always give up entry level rights in bargaining to keep something they like or get something they want.
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I don't know enough about McGroarty, but I don't like the entitlement of wanting out. Yes, within parameters, but it's just such a young thing now with kids wanting to call their own shots before putting in their time. It's not just the NHL.
It's everywhere. It's in my own damned workplace, and I hate it. Thankfully I work in an industry that inexperienced ppl and kids need to put in their time. So when signs start to show, I usually work hard to ship them to out of town work. It has 2 effects, both positive. Either I get a worker who takes it in and relishes the experience. Or I get one who quits and doesn't ruin the culture of my team
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Reframe it a bit - you went to school for 18 years, and when you graduated and are a high performer, your rights are assigned to a corporation that you can't switch. You think that's okay?
The fact that this doesn't happen more often is the shocking component. It's well within his rights as a drafted player to do this. He, for whatever personal reason he has, didn't want to sign a contract with an organization - and the organization then traded him as an asset, it's all good. It's how the system is constructed.
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He didn't want to come out and say "It's F^K1NG Winnipeg."
That's it. These guys are entitled, that much is true, but sometimes you don't vibe with the environment for whatever reason. Maybe he looked around the room and just didn't see himself aligning with the vets on the team either. Sometimes these things aren't just one thing but several things put together compounded. It's Winnipeg probably plays into it considering when he goes down south he probably sees how good it could be.
You know...at least McGroarty was honest about it with the Jets.
He could have just said he was going back to college, pushed the whole thing out a year, and then they actually get worse value back for him.
-He was up front with the Jets early.
-Doesn't appear that he gave then a very limited list of teams
-He didn't just wait and threaten to go to UFA
It sucks for the Jets but at least Mcgroarty handled it in a way that actually allowed the Jets to maximize his value, and IMO actually were able to get equal (or maybe even better) value back for him.
The solution is that a max value ELC should act as type of "Qualifying Offer"
If I drafted you, and I offer you a max value ELC, then I retain your rights as an RFA, even if you refuse to sign.
It doesn't force a player to sign with that team, but it helps the drafting team maintain a position of leverage in the trade negotiations by removing the threat of UFA for College players or draft re-entry for junior players.
I think that soon enough here we are also going to see CHL players refuse to sign after two years and end up back in the draft if they think it's better for them or they could end up in a better circumstance.
I'm surprised we aren't seeing it happen more already...somebody like Jagger Firkus for example...he could have chosen not to sign with Seattle...could have been back in the draft and potentially could have landed in a more favourable spot.
You know...at least McGroarty was honest about it with the Jets.
He could have just said he was going back to college, pushed the whole thing out a year, and then they actually get worse value back for him.
-He was up front with the Jets early.
-Doesn't appear that he gave then a very limited list of teams
-He didn't just wait and threaten to go to UFA
It sucks for the Jets but at least Mcgroarty handled it in a way that actually allowed the Jets to maximize his value, and IMO actually were able to get equal (or maybe even better) value back for him.
The solution is that a max value ELC should act as type of "Qualifying Offer"
If I drafted you, and I offer you a max value ELC, then I retain your rights as an RFA, even if you refuse to sign.
It doesn't force a player to sign with that team, but it helps the drafting team maintain a position of leverage in the trade negotiations by removing the threat of UFA for College players or draft re-entry for junior players.
I think that soon enough here we are also going to see CHL players refuse to sign after two years and end up back in the draft if they think it's better for them or they could end up in a better circumstance.
I'm surprised we aren't seeing it happen more already...somebody like Jagger Firkus for example...he could have chosen not to sign with Seattle...could have been back in the draft and potentially could have landed in a more favourable spot.
This is such an INSANE GAMBLE for 99% of drafted players. This isn’t an issue.
You think drafted players should be able to simply say, nah I am good, and force teams' hands? You were fine with Fox doing so with the Flames?
Absolutely not from me.
Being ‘fine’ with it, has nothing to do with it.
Do I think it’s a bad career move? Yes, but that is his right.
Do I get annoyed if one of my staff quit and go to a competitor? You bet, but it is their right. There really isn’t much of a difference, apart from the investment my company put into that person before the left.
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Who is acting more entitled, the controller or the controllee?
There was a time when if you were one of the 0.001% lucky enough to get drafted you would be proud to get the chance anywhere. (Asshat Lindros excluded)
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Curious how CP would have felt if there was a McGroaty for Honzek trade? I assume mixed because some think Honzek is already a bust and he there would be pissed we traded for a guy who seemingly is demanding to be gifted a spot and we gave up too soon on Honzek when the team needs to be patient.
Is Honzek even a top 200 prospect? not a good comparable.
