[Trade] Van trades Mikheyev (15% ret), rights to Lafferty, and 2025 2nd to Chi for a 2027 4th

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Here's the question:

Who's going to be dumb enough to offer Draisaitl $18 million for one year? A contender would have to shed several good players just to get that kind of cap space. A rebuilding team isn't a Draisaitl away from contention. Teams on the bubble have a combination of both those problems. And the Oilers themselves are not going to blow that kind of money just to kick their UFA problem one year down the road, and have Draisaitl and McDavid needing new contracts at the same time.

If Draisaitl says to Edmonton either now, or during, or after next season that that's the deal: I want one more shot with McDavid and then we'll both see what we'll do, I'd think they have to seriously entertain it.

Nashville made the playoffs with a pitiful payroll and were pretty competitive. They could have beaten Vancouver and Edmonton with Draisaitl. I don't really think it's "dumb". You pay a ton of money for a star player in their prime and take a shot at it.

[butterfly]

The articles are a bit dated and from a different sport, but I have been supremely intrigued by the idea for a while.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-much...of-mike-trout/

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/one-year...t-the-results/

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The articles are a bit dated and from a different sport, but I have been supremely intrigued by the idea for a while.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-much...of-mike-trout/

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/one-year...t-the-results/

The big difference is that MLB doesn't have a hard cap. If a team wants to go over the threshold, it can pay luxury tax and spend as much as it likes.

I don't see how the Oilers could give Draisaitl a $10 million raise in 2025 without gutting their team. They're going to lose some key parts this summer as it is.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The big difference is that MLB doesn't have a hard cap. If a team wants to go over the threshold, it can pay luxury tax and spend as much as it likes.

I don't see how the Oilers could give Draisaitl a $10 million raise in 2025 without gutting their team. They're going to lose some key parts this summer as it is.

In reality, yes. For this specific thought experiment, there was a theoretical hard cap.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

In reality, yes. For this specific thought experiment, there was a theoretical hard cap.

And at the end of the thought experiment, the experimenter came to no conclusion. It's an odd article to cite.

[gvitaly]

I think this is a good trade for both teams.

Mikheyev was on a 50P pace in the 2 seasons before Tocchet. Much like Kuzmenko he just doesn't fit well into the current system. I think that CHI can turn him into a positive asset. CHI is also familiar with Lafferty, so I think he's worth the 4th for them.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I guess. If I had that much money already in the bank and that much talent, I'd be out to maximize future earnings, not minimize risk.

I could see the Turcotte deal working for both sides - it's a huge deal to go from nothing to $2.325M. If you already have 8 figures in the bank you can afford to be way more aggressive.

Frontload the contract and dictate the bonuses and he gets both - the cash and the term. Which he probably will.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

And at the end of the thought experiment, the experimenter came to no conclusion. It's an odd article to cite.

It was left to the readers to vote for a day, then the conclusion was made in the second article.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

It was left to the readers to vote for a day, then the conclusion was made in the second article.

Ah, I see that now.

So this technical question about sports finance was decided in the most scientific way possible: by an Internet poll of people who know nothing about the subject.

Pass.

[Enoch Root]

I get the argument people are making, that $10M of salary is a lot to take back for a 2nd (minus a 4th). But that's only half the equation here.

As gvitaly said, Mikheyev is easily a 40-50 point guy, in other situations. CHI plays him in the top 6 for a while, then moves him out, with retention, and they get more picks. They have the same opportunity with Lafferty - trade him at the deadline.

This isn't: $10M cap dump for a 2nd, it's for a 2nd, plus, plus.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Well, in reality, it's a 2nd to move 4M off the books as they didn't want Mikheyev anymore and weren't signing Lafferty. I think in a vacuum they pulled the trigger too early - if you wait until the deadline, you probably have a better player to deal, as he'll have a lot more distance between him and a major knee surgery that happened February, 2023. Last season he was clearly still recovering and his biggest asset is skating.

I do understand it from the Canucks' perspective; they have a lot of spots to fill and just getting it off the books for a reasonable price without having to worry about it anymore (and a 2027 2nd for 4M in cap space is very reasonable) is attractive. But I think they lost some opportunity cost on this deal as they probably could have unloaded the full freight, without a sweetener, at the deadline. Now they have 3M in dead cap this year (Mikheyev + OEL) and 5.4 million next year. Ouch.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

As gvitaly said, Mikheyev is easily a 40-50 point guy, in other situations.

It's sort of like the Jeff Skinner discussion in the other thread. Yes his contract is bloated, but it's not like he's a useless player.

[DJones]

Ya I'm sure Chicago thinks they can flip him for another pick later on.

Tocchet just seems to have his guys that work and those that don't. Decent gamble without much risk.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I get the argument people are making, that $10M of salary is a lot to take back for a 2nd (minus a 4th). But that's only half the equation here.

As gvitaly said, Mikheyev is easily a 40-50 point guy, in other situations. CHI plays him in the top 6 for a while, then moves him out, with retention, and they get more picks. They have the same opportunity with Lafferty - trade him at the deadline.

This isn't: $10M cap dump for a 2nd, it's for a 2nd, plus, plus.

The Wirtz family is also worth about 4.5 billion

They arent going to hit the cap , so who really cares about the "price" for the 2nd

I agree they also hope to turn around Mikh for another asset but at the end of the day, even if its 10 mil for a 2nd "its just money"

Despite what most people think most of these owners want the bragging rights of winning a Cup to their rich friends and the franchise value increase, and do not care much/at all about yearly profit and operating costs

[GullFoss]

Is this trade done?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yes.