[Rumour] Friedman: Hanifin headed to market; Markstrom waiting

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don’t think it’s blown off. It might not have been as close as we were hoping, but I’m pretty sure that devils and flames are still talking

Oh I don’t think it’s necessarily dead but once Markstrom started I think whatever was out there that it was happening soon faded or broke down a little.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Dude, the smoke was ‘something is happening NOW!!!’ when it should have been ‘something interesting is happening and maybe there will be a trade.’

I don’t blame the insiders or their sources. I think fans jump to conclusions.

The offer was not good enough to take to Marky. NJD tried to force the issue through media whores ‘leaking’ stuff.

It’s very unlikely the offer was as crazy good as we all hoped it would be.

The focus should be on UFAs and that’s it. If we could rewind I would have liked Conroy to shoot down the rumours and say, ‘right now my priority is sorting out the UFA situation.’

Yet, neither side has made any comment what so ever

That alone should be a clue

Read the quotes from Pat Steinberg etc

[CliffFletcher]

From the sounds of it, the Flames and Devils were working out the basis of a deal that was acceptable to both. But when it came time to talk retention, they couldn’t agree on what the Devils would have to add to the package. Then talks broke off. Markstrom was not asked to waive his NTC, because the deal wasn’t firmed up enough.

The rest was all fans working themselves into a lather over the speculated return, even though nobody credible has offered details about the pieces in the deal.

The deal might still get revived. But it’s hard to say who’s the more motivated party in the negotiations. Markstrom is worth more to the Devils if he’s in net for a playoff push and they make it to the post-season this year. He may be worth less to them in two weeks, he may be worth more.

The best thing about the Devils’ pitch might be that it prompted other teams to inquire about Markstrom.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You’re right, we should hand out some extensions to this group and bring in some aging vets to push us over the top…

I'm not saying that. I'm just irked a bit that it seems our only trading options are in the top third of the standings.

CBJ got the 6th overall and 12th overall in back to back drafts from CHI (who were not a playoff team) for Seth Jones. The only thing is I'm not sure if his MNTC kicked in before the trade or not. If it did, then maybe he didn't care about going to a non-playoff team or something (which Hanifin very much will care about).

VAN's pick is going to be mid-to-high 20's. If we send Marky to NJD, then they're going to move up the standings and maybe even win a round or two, which will be low-20s.

I don't even know what we're doing with Hanifin, but I doubt he's gonna waive to go to ANA or OTT or... actually isn't he from BUF? (nope he's from BOS lol).

Tanev, I'm not certain we'd get a 1st for him unless it was to another top team who's desparate for a defensive, shot-blocking D to help them go deep in the playoffs (so another pick in the 20s at best).


Like, I get it... I'm just bitching about "cleaning house, but still not picking even once in the top 10."

I was under the impression that this draft sucked outside the top 13ish, but Sandman says the whole first round is good, and he knows his stuff, so I feel a bitt better.

(I still can't help but imagine what could have been if we'd moved guys earlier and played most of the season with an AHL team and no Markstrom keeping us in evey game. Like, it seems to me getting Celebrini would have been worth getting lousier returns from our trades.)

But again, though, I do feel better if the whole first round is as deep as Sandman says.

[Braden]

Sec just told us Fitz re-engaged, yeah it felt like it was going places and it was exciting. He also put a time frame he could stand behind of Markstrom likely not being here for the start of next season. I get it can be disappointing it hasn't materialized yet /at all but I much prefer the excitment and hope of the last week as opposed to the alternative, which is complete crickets in every direction. I for one love hearing any little extra bit of information wherever it comes from especially from Sec and a few others on this board.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

(I still can't help but imagine what could have been if we'd moved guys earlier and played most of the season with an AHL team and no Markstrom keeping us in evey game. Like, it seems to me getting Celebrini would have been worth getting lousier returns from our trades.)

But again, though, I do feel better if the whole first round is as deep as Sandman says.

There's no way to just "get Celebrini". The Flames have a 95% chance of not getting him and San Jose has a 86.5% chance of not getting him.

[GUnit]

Noah Norris Godspeed

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by butterfly

There's no way to just "get Celebrini". The Flames have a 95% chance of not getting him and San Jose has a 86.5% chance of not getting him.

Jesus Christ dude. There's a better chance of getting him when you finish in the bottom 5 than there is when you finish 12th-17th.

I can't believe the things that need to be explained to people sometimes.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm not saying that. I'm just irked a bit that it seems our only trading options are in the top third of the standings.

CBJ got the 6th overall and 12th overall in back to back drafts from CHI (who were not a playoff team) for Seth Jones. The only thing is I'm not sure if his MNTC kicked in before the trade or not. If it did, then maybe he didn't care about going to a non-playoff team or something (which Hanifin very much will care about).

VAN's pick is going to be mid-to-high 20's. If we send Marky to NJD, then they're going to move up the standings and maybe even win a round or two, which will be low-20s.

I don't even know what we're doing with Hanifin, but I doubt he's gonna waive to go to ANA or OTT or... actually isn't he from BUF? (nope he's from BOS lol).

Tanev, I'm not certain we'd get a 1st for him unless it was to another top team who's desparate for a defensive, shot-blocking D to help them go deep in the playoffs (so another pick in the 20s at best).


Like, I get it... I'm just bitching about "cleaning house, but still not picking even once in the top 10."

I was under the impression that this draft sucked outside the top 13ish, but Sandman says the whole first round is good, and he knows his stuff, so I feel a bitt better.

(I still can't help but imagine what could have been if we'd moved guys earlier and played most of the season with an AHL team and no Markstrom keeping us in evey game. Like, it seems to me getting Celebrini would have been worth getting lousier returns from our trades.)

But again, though, I do feel better if the whole first round is as deep as Sandman says.

Based on some of the comments from Conny, it sounds like he would be open to using the assets to find younger players (22-25) who haven't necessarily popped, but who have strong potential.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Jesus Christ dude. There's a better chance of getting him when you finish in the bottom 5 than there is when you finish 12th-17th.

I can't believe the things that need to be explained to people sometimes.

So take a lower return for a, I don't know, 3.5% increased chance at winning the lottery. Flames still would be better than ANA, CHI, SJ, CLS anyway.

No thanks.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Jesus Christ dude. There's a better chance of getting him when you finish in the bottom 5 than there is when you finish 12th-17th.

I can't believe the things that need to be explained to people sometimes.

And if you don't win the lottery, which no one has a strong chance of, you still pick in the top 5 or 10 and get a better player.

Either way its of benefit to be closer to the bottom of the pack. Especially in a draft year that isn't as strong as most.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

And if you don't win the lottery, which no one has a strong chance of, you still pick in the top 5 or 10 and get a better player.

Either way its of benefit to be closer to the bottom of the pack. Especially in a draft year that isn't as strong as most.

The Flames already have a bottom 10 points percentage without doing that. It's a pretty weak argument to trade your trade chips for something less than the maximum return. Putting them in the press box might even make more sense.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The Flames already have a bottom 10 points percentage without doing that. It's a pretty weak argument to trade your trade chips for something less than the maximum return. Putting them in the press box might even make more sense.

Oh, if that was the argument being made then yes I agree.

Even though that may be frowned upon by some.

Good to see they've cracked the bottom 10. They absolutely need that next pick equivalent of what Monahan/tkachuk wound up being for them

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Oh, if that was the argument being made then yes I agree.

Even though that may be frowned upon by some.

Good to see they've cracked the bottom 10. They absolutely need that next pick equivalent of what Monahan/tkachuk wound up being for them

Yeah, they'd pick #9 based on points percentage right now. https://www.tankathon.com/nhl

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Yeah, they'd pick #9 based on points percentage right now. https://www.tankathon.com/nhl

Recent players in the last number of drafts taken at 9th. Sergachev, Meier, Ehlers, Horvat, Trouba, Dougie, Granlund, Jared Cowen, Bailey, Couture, James Sheppard, Brian Lee, Smid, Dion.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Recent players in the last number of drafts taken at 9th. Sergachev, Meier, Ehlers, Horvat, Trouba, Dougie, Granlund, Jared Cowen, Bailey, Couture, James Sheppard, Brian Lee, Smid, Dion.

I'll-take-it.gif

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Recent players in the last number of drafts taken at 9th. Sergachev, Meier, Ehlers, Horvat, Trouba, Dougie, Granlund, Jared Cowen, Bailey, Couture, James Sheppard, Brian Lee, Smid, Dion.

I don’t think Dion can be called recent anymore and that was possibly the deepest draft of all time.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I don’t think Dion can be called recent anymore and that was possibly the deepest draft of all time.

It was only 21 years ago, basically yesterday lol

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

I don’t think Dion can be called recent anymore and that was possibly the deepest draft of all time.

Totally fair comment hhaa. Crap, I'm old. Using the word 'recent' was probably the wrong choice by me too, as I left out the actual recent ones given we don't quite know how they'll turn out. I'm dumb.

[Brick]

Veteran defenseman (Noah Hanifin) likely to test free agency:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl...a115f9cb&ei=16